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Time and time again a story is told with the classic hero vs. villain setup with the villain committing acts deemed evil by good, neutral, and the normally apathetic. The villain usually commits said acts for their own personal reasons. But wait, they have a justified reason for their actions? They may not be so much evil as they are anti. He may end up sending the hero into a depression after his motives come to light? Here my friends is a villain who actually has a justified reason for being what he is. Due to the nature of their villainy if they become too excessive in their methods it may fall under Straw Man Has a Point and they can easily fall under as a Well-Intentioned Extremist. In-universe they can also easily fall under Designated Villain. Compare Anti-Villain.

Examples of Villain Has a Point include:


Anime and Manga

  • Yu-Gi-Oh Ze Xal has this with Kaito Tenjo. He believes the Numbers' cards are evil and from what has been seen the Numbers can easily make the good bad, (Ukyo, Fuya to a lesser extent) and the bad worse, (Jin, Rikuo, Kaio). Also, his claim that the Numbers want to destroy the world seems plausible seeing the evil from Black Mist who was able to capture Astral and control Yuma's body against his will. In fact, the only issue with him capturing Numbers is that he takes the soul of the person who possessed it.

Comic Books

  • As Emperor Doom showed, it really is the Marvel Universe's best interests to let Doctor Doom be in charge. Shame then that the good doctor considers victory to be boring.
  • In First Strike, some of the G.I. Joes say that while they disagree with Baron Ironblood, real name: Joe Colton, and his plan to enact a Cybertronian genocide, they can see why he fears the metallic aliens so much and how their power endangers Earth.
  • In the Kree-Skrull War, Senator Craddock highlights that the Avengers and the government are covering up alien incursions onto Earth. As the story makes very clear, the aliens are real, they're here, and the people have a right to know. Craddock even notes the need for a system to make sure that the aliens haven't infiltrated Earth's governments. To hammer in how badly this system is needed, Craddock is a Skrull.
  • Subverted in Superman Red Son. At first glance, Lex is right to say that Superman wasn't born on Earth and therefore has interfered with its natural evolution with his rule over most of the world having stifled humanity's potential. It would hold more weight if Lex's rule wasn't near-identical to Superman's. And the ending reveals that Luthor's point is completely hollow. Superman was born on Earth.

Fan Fiction

  • In the Voltron: Legendary Defender fanfic Across the Multiverse, the Space Goddess curses Akira Kogane into reincarnating several times yet never be with his beloved Takashi Shirogane. But Akira and his Keith incarnations are so, so self-centered, annoying, clingy and Shiro/Sven-obsessed throughout all of these new lives, one feels that this Jerkass Goddess is absolutely right. Even more, she cursed Akira specifically because he was so self-absorbed that he basically killed himself over Takashi without any regards to his still-living friends, but he never learns his lesson about not being selfish. Even worse, the fanfic sides with HIM and, in the VLD continuity, gives him the happy ending that he never deserved. (Of course, at the expense of Shiro's canon love interest Curtis, who's portrayed as being wrong at HIS heartbreak whereas Keith's creepy obsession with Shiro is written as ~True Love~. So basically she tried to teach the Designated Hero a lesson on being less selfish, and even when she's supposed to be the Big Bad and therefore evil, at the core she's right.
  • Mai in How I Became Yours. Yes, she was pissed off when she found out her husband cheated on her and fathered an illegitimate child with his other woman, but she also tells Zuko that if the Fire Nation found out their new ruler made a baby with a Water Tribe commoner rather than, y'know, his legal wife, scandal would erupt. Not exactly what the Fire Nation needs while it's recovering from a war and a terrible reputation globally! But when Mai tells Zuko this as well as pointing out how idiotic and reckless he was? He hits her and throws her to the floor. Later, poor Mai is brutally murdered by her husband's other woman for her troubles.
  • The Asgardians in A Risky Undertaking when it comes to Loki. First, no matter how much Loki loves to whine, Odin did save his life from someone who genuinely did not want him. Second, as Thor points out, despite Tony and Bruce complaining about Asgard failing Loki, it's unrealistic to have Asgard alter its entire culture (which extends to two other planets) simply because one child was an introvert. Third, as Sif, whom the fic treats as an inhuman monster, points out, if Loki wanted to leave Asgard so bad, no one was stopping him.

Film

  • The DC Extended Universe:
    • As Ares said, he never forced humans to war with one another. He gave them ideas for weapons sure, but he never started the war. Even if he's an Unreliable Narrator about everything else, the fact that World War One continued, albeit not for very long, after his death, and that wars continued to be fought afterwards, including the Russian Civil War still being ongoing at the time of his demise, prove his point that Humans Are Bastards who like to fight. Diana even acknowledges this in the novelization noting that "The War to End All Wars" didn't quite live up to its title.
    • Orn. For all his megalomania and blatant insanity, he is right to say that the surface world is polluting the ocean and endangering Atlantis' survival.
  • Walter "Dickless" Peck in Ghostbusters. While Both Sides Have a Point in his argument with Venkman (namely that Peck didn't show any credentials and has no search warrant), the EPA would be interested in any unknown chemicals that the Ghostbusters are storing in their basement, and if those chemicals are being safely contained and disposed of.
  • The Marvel Cinematic Universe:
    • Loki in both Thor and Thor: The Dark World. In the first film, despite being motivated by jealousy, he's right in saying that Thor was not ready for the throne, something that Thor even concedes by the time of the sequel. In the second film, Loki is, again, right in saying that Thor/Jane is a Mayfly-December Romance. In a few decades, Jane will be dead and Thor won't have aged a day.
    • Killmonger in Black Panther. Wakanda has the technology and the resources to help the impoverished black people around the globe and they should do something with it. While T'Challa disagrees with Killmonger's actions, he ultimately comes to agree that Wakanda could, and should, be doing more.
    • In Avengers: Endgame, Cap notes that, despite what a madman Thanos was, his Badass Finger-Snap has led to Earth's biosphere healing itself, with some once endangered species on the rise again. When it comes to the effects on sentient populations and their gratitude however...
  • Star Wars:
    • Bigger Bad he may be, everything that Palpatine told Padme about the Senate's ineffectiveness in The Phantom Menace was the absolute truth. The Mega-Corps are in charge and the Republic's demilitarization has rendered the Senate incapable of rendering any aid to Naboo.
    • The Separatists. A lack of viable infrastructure in the Outer Rim, and the Republic focusing more on the Core Worlds, had led to Outer Rim planets being neglected which caused the CIS to form in the first place.
    • Kylo Ren in The Last Jedi. He and sanity may not be on speaking terms but the rule of both the Jedi and the Sith have proven to be failures. What's the point in resurrecting either philosophy? Why not try something new?

Literature

  • Rassilon in the Doctor Who novel Engines of War. Whatever moral reservations the Doctor has with the Time Lords, they're a better choice to rule the universe than the Daleks and do legitimately have the power to put things back to the way they were when the Daleks are defeated. Even Cinder, who is vocally against Rassilon's A Million Is a Statistic mentality, notes that his plan is radical but maybe not entirely without merit.
  • In Isaac Asimov's story "The Dead Past", the government agents trying to prevent the protagonists from learning the secret of viewing the past seem like a classic heavy-handed Government Conspiracy... until it turns out that they're simply trying to prevent privacy from being utterly destroyed by the dissemination of devices that can view any place at any past time from a century ago to a microsecond ago.
  • In Percy Jackson & the Olympians, the Titans are right in calling out how the Olympians don't really seem to ever give a damn about Western Civilization or their own demigod children. A good chunk of Kronos's army is made up of demigods who lost faith in their absent parents. The main cast even says that the whole thing is a Black and Gray Morality. The Olympians are better than the Titans but not good people.

Video Games

Western Animation

  • Justice League Unlimited: Project Cadmus created several threats to the world, but they do have considerable ground to stand on for their actions: the League didn't tell anyone about their big Kill Sat, they themselves have made questionable decisions in the past, and the Justice Lords were able to take over their world with only six of the founding members.
  • One from Batman: Under the Red Hood. Under the Red Hood gives us one from the titular character himself. No matter how many times Joker may get slammed into Arkham, being the Cardboard Prison it is, he always returns at some point wreak more havoc. While Batman does think about killing Joker, he fears about never coming back. However among Batman's rogues gallery, Joker DOES have a higher kill count alone than most and will most likely never stop killing as long as he is able, so putting him behind bars or a padded room does no good. Yet because he's Batman he won't take that step. Some people find it easy to side with Red Hood here even though he is a bit demented.
  • The Equalists in The Legend of Korra claims that benders are forcing non-benders to live as second class citizens. Although it is not entirely true but they do show that there are bending gangs who abuse their powers to intimidate non-bending people and the city's council is solely consist of benders.
    • They get quite a bit of ammunition in the eighth episode when the City Council starts to oppress non-benders, arresting them simply out of suspicion or ANY association with members of the Equalists (this includes being a family member as Asami found out). And it gets worse after we think a little bit. Later on in that episode we see what appears to be a whole neighborhood of non-benders.
    • In the final season, Toph even says that every baddie they've faced has had a point and started out with noble intentions.
  • Weaponized in the Whole-Episode Flashback in Voltron: Legendary Defender. Despite how much Alfor wanted to close the rift and protect Daibazaal, Zarkon kept shutting him down on the basis that Zarkon was the legitimate ruler of Daibazaal and thus had the final say in all matters.
  • In Star Wars: The Clone Wars, a clone is caught as a Separatist spy. He justifies his actions by highlighting that the Clone Army was born to be nothing but Mooks for the Republic and that they honestly have no stake in the fighting. Misguided as he may have been, everything he said was the absolute truth.
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