Well maybe I don't leave for now, but I still think about it.
Still, now I need both you and Zombie to improve the strong and skilled trope with more examples, so if either you or Zombie find more you can add them or discuss why they fit the trope here if you are not sure.
What do you think about the playing with I did for the trope?
Depending on his backstory, Batman might be trained in martial arts; but the consistent thing is that he knows how to throw a punch without killing someone and he's generally a great investigator because there's no shortage of insane ciminals that he has to track down.
There's also the Master Chief from the Halo franchise: A supersoldier who managed to stop several alien invasions with his guns, powered armor, his A.I. assistant, his brains, and an insane amount of luck.
From WarHammer 40K, there's the Space Marines who are a breed of supersoldiers who spent decades on the battlefield. But depending on who we're talking about, their elites are the Veterans in the 1st Company (or anyone else wearing Terminator Armor) because they normally have a century or two of combat experience and these guys are usually sent in for specialized raids.
As for batman he doesn't apply since his lack of superpowers is a notable pain when he faces foes who are far more powerful than him, heck even when he faces human villains who are somehow stronger or prepared for him. For this trope I think that the characters have to have both traits just in case they lose one, allow me to give you an example; Just think that either Jack loses his sword or Batman loses his toys, what exactly can they do against they foes when they loses their skills if they have not enough physical prowess to match them, this is more for Batman though I don't know about Jack since he's never been in a real trouble without the aid of his sword before, but you get the point.
The reason why I mentioned Batman is because he's realistically as fit a people normally get without going overboard on their exercise. But you're right about him being screwed over without his equipment. For instance, he needs a set of brass knuckles that are made out of certain metal to smash Gentleman Ghost's monocle.
As for Jack, while he did lose his sword in the 5th season, he still relies on a variety of weaponry. But I need to do some research to see if he ever fought unarmed.
Regarding OPM, if you're going to add Bang, you should also add his brother because they're both experts in martial arts...Although their joints can't keep up with they're fighting style anymore. And speaking of martial arts, there's that time when Watchdog Man trolled Garou by repeatedly shaking his hand before he mauled him. And I wanted to include Atomic Samurai, but it isn't clear how he would fare without his sword.
We need to expand OPM here, I mean creating pages for funny, tearjerker, nightmare fuel, add a LOT more characters, YMVM or whatever it writes and go on. Seriously it disgusts me how incredible poor built and short it is.
The Joker Who Smiles wrote: Jack fought Aku unarmed once, but Aku did not use his powers, if you are gonna add him make a section for western animation
If you're talking about the episode where Aku got tired of how routine his fights were getting and challenged Jack to a duel, it should be mentioned that Aku did cheat towards the end. But otherwise, Jack was beating the shit out of him.
Regarding Genos, the thing about being skilled in a fight is how you adapt when you're losing. Except for the battle against G4 (who was sent for King), the Demon Cyborg doesn't appear to be learning much of anything.
As for the character page of OPM, most of the C-class heroes and minor characters like Heavy Kong aren't as tropeable as the more important heroes. But I'm still working on Saitama's synopsis on Heroes. Wiki and I'm around 1/5 of the way through with the manga.
I al talking about the s clases héroes and villains and other caracteres that need to be troped along many other things about OPM. I think that you should lea e that synopsis, it May get completes by other People over time
The Joker Who Smiles wrote: I al talking about the s clases héroes and villains and other caracteres that need to be troped along many other things about OPM. I think that you should lea e that synopsis, it May get completes by other People over time
Well, we have basically all of S-Class heroes that can be troped and have a decent list of them, along with certain members of lesser classes who have a certain amount of exposition attached to them.
As for the monsters, it heavily depends on what they've said. But it won't be as long as the heroic characters because they tend to die very fast.
I'll see what I can do with the character page later on today. But it would probably be best if one of you could make an separate one for monsters and villains. That way, people wouldn't have to scroll down an wall of text just to get to their entries.
I know maybe is not the best time, but are you gonna update Saitama and Genos' story on heroes wiki, since you're been reading the manga and getting information, I feel you could make the pages more complete.
When you edit anonymously, your IP address (think of it as an ID card) shows up. And on here, there's an link to a website that gives away your general location on the list of an IP address's contribution.
Now the reason why I brought it up is because it's kind of an red flag for an anonymous user to delete stuff on here. I had an feeling that it might've been you, but I was just checking (even though I agree with that edit).
Let's be honest for a second, can we. How is saitama "unskilled" and genos "skilled", if you analize these characters you get quite the opposite of what a fanboy says.
Actually, that stuff of being defined by both traits is silly and has a lot of flaws, not that orb realizes it of course, literally almost all of the strong and skilled characters are far defined by one trait and orb is by far the only one (along maybe his dog) that says that and he feels like repeating it many times will somehow make it true when it's not.
Luckily, for what i see most people don't think highly on the community there so almost no one sees it as a truly reliable source or serious thing, but rather just to entertain you at reading.
I mean i feel like we could make a thread about how non-sense that is, and i got a lot of characters to use as examples. Yoy should have tried to straigth up make a thread about saitama as strong and skilled rather than trying to reason with that hypocrite fanboy.
Regarding the "who is skilled" argument, Genos technically qualifies because he knows how to use his weapons. But when it comes to actually winning or thinking...Well, you know the rest. Besides, at least Saitama does study his enemies' moves every now and then. Like that time when Hammerhead windmilled his arms and Saitama pointed out how that childish that move was.
But look on the good side, giving how infamous the site is cause its community, i don't think many people take it seriously or agree with it, heck even Alex knows Genos doesn't qualify and Saitama does.
Plus the few users i've showed the discussion doesn't seem to think very high on the behavior and "argument" of Orb, it's not really important but you get the idea.
My point yesterday, was "just because you know how to fire a gun doesn't mean that you're automatically an expert marksman with it." Just because Genos is smarter than his mentor doesn't guarantee that he's an tactician. In fact, the only time when I seen him use his brains was against G4, who was meant to fight King. And compared to most of the S-Classes, he isn't that successful, either.
Regarding TVT, it's generally considered an easy way to lose an argument (or get branded as a nerd) if you cite them often enough. I really don't bother keeping track of their community nowadays, but this is an example of how paranoid some of their members are getting.
The thing about being a genius bruiser is that you have to be intelligent or have a higher level of education (like an college degree or doing something sophisticated). Now the problem is, that aside from repairing himself, Genos doesn't have any of this going on. Granted, he's smarter than Saitama; but where I live, his intelligence is more or less average for his age if we ignore the fact that he regularly repairs his cybernetics.
But I think he would fit if the manga didn't treat his repairs as the same as replacing a tire, headlight, and battery of your car.
I mean he is incompetent by S-class heroes standards, even if the other certainly can't take a f*ck from Saitama they're still incredible powerful heroes and defeat many dangerous villains, which Genos don't.
I hope you get a computer so you'll be able to upgrade your profile even more and maybe send me a photo of yourself in real life on email.
Anyway tomorrow I will start and finish Saitama's synopsis on my own, afterwards you can check it and clean my mistakes if i commit some.
I will add some OPM heroes too, maybe, are you gonna add more OPM heroes to heroes wiki?
Hey Rabid I'm trying to be a contributor here on tv tropes but it keeps saying error recaptcha can't read text every time i implement my email i heard others say this is a glitch or bad service. I don't have a Facebook account and don't want one but do you have any other suggestions?
I decided we should move to another thread cause we moved away from the horny devils deal. Anyway, ¿how you're doing? ¿is that idiot of orbconfusion annoying again?. You could try to contact with other tropers by making a thread about this theme in another page, like ask the tropers or you could make a page exclussively to discuss this.
¿So, while you're on that, could you specific why saitama subverts Unskilled but Strong on the characters page, as well deleting his Strong and Skilled information until you manages to add him as a clean case of said trope?
Whatever you decide, i want to thank you men, for all your try. I hope i'm not being a pain for you, i only the page to be correct and so on, i also hate that idiot for playing the smart one when he is clearly an hypocrite. Thanks for your help.
May i ask you a favor ¿could you delete the Strong and Skilled part from saitama's page until you get enough to officially add him with proper information?. I don't want to read something written by ignorant and hypocrital people, and i guess you don't want neither.
Hey, i just saw your conversation on the one punch man page, it seems like they're kicking you with the fact that saitama refused martial arts lessons. Please and i'm telling you this cause i'm sick of those idiots ignorants and hypocrites, ¿could you remember them that genos refused the same proposal for the same reasons of saitama and that he is called for bang for the same as saitama is?. Aside from helping you, it's the fact that i hate ignorants and hypocrites, and those guys seems to have only that fact on their side, cause even they acknowledge saitama has a decent pair of skills along with his power.
Yeah, i just saw what that idiot responded, now is starting to said "saitama doesn't want, genos doesn't need it", and they make a point that genos has intelligence and style, whereas saitama don't. Seems they forget, saitama has that, he just DOESN'T NEED TO USE IT, and judging by that idiot's last sentence, it seems he is starting to get rude.
Also, i have to make a question to you. ¿does Genos really fight analyzing his opponents?. I mean i know he had, but he usually only does when he needs it, he is not like Garou, Genos usually fights with firepower alone, analysis only comes in weird chances.
Oghta wrote: Also, ¿how exactly does money and look count as skill?
Only if you're in the fashion industry.
But seriously, there are an handful of times when Genos does analyze stuff. Like how he was debating on exactly how much firepower that he needed to destroy the meteor (what he had that day wasn't enough) and the cockroach guy who was too fast for him, which is why he swallowed his pride and sprayed glue on him. There's more, but I think it falls under "explaining the enemy's attacks to the audience" kind of thinking. In the manga, he also had some kind of radar display in his left eye, but that isn't very reliable against someone who's very fast. But overall, it's "scan, rush, burn, fight, and move on" if you're really looking for an pattern.
As for Bang, I remember him being pissed off at Saitama for being lazy and Genos gets around by depending on his cybernetics. But to my knowledge, this was only brought once; when he took them to his dojo.
Yeah but that's the point, Bang calls both Saitama and Genos for relying exclusively on their powers rather than refined martial arts, and even if Genos fights with analysis he only study how much power he could need in a battle, as you said, is not really a big deal. Now these fools start with a new strategy, saying Genos doesn't need training and Saitama does, both of them refuse training specifically for the same reasons, they believe more in power rather than skill.
In other news, i contacted with an user who's willingly to help you in the thread, but he says he can't sign in TV tropes.
Well, it's great that you've found someone else to help us. But ever since the admins remodeled the site, there have been quite an few technical issues.
And kind of off topic, compared to what you just said, but do you consider seeing through an enemy's mind games an skill? Because I just remembered about how that telekinetic alien was giving Saitama instructions on how to leave Boros ship by pointing the hero away from his position. I was laughing my ass off when Saitama quickly deduced that the first turn was an decoy.
Nah, i mean that's something that random person would deduce easily. But the thing is that those tropers make Genos look like he use analysis in the same way and level as Garou, as you can see, he doesn't. But now they are talking crap about Genos don't needing training to be Strong and Skilled, Genos has all the problems of a Unskilled but Strong character, but now the deny it, and for what i can see they start to being quite rude to you, but i've informed our buddy about our situation and he said he would do his best to help you. ¿What technical issues?
As for Genos, he has sensors and agility. But he doesn't really have that clever of an answer when he's outmatched other than moving faster or turning up the heat. Just look at how he reacted to Sonic or that battle against Kabuto and that roach guy I mentioned earlier.
Right now, it's random pages getting locked out of nowhere and the coding of the discussion pages needs to be fixed (internal links aren't working right and "\" appearing out of nowhere). Plus, your friend can't make an account.
Men, you don't need to explain me Genos flaws cause i already know, but try to make those guys understand it, now you see what i had to deal with, they're even saying Genos doesn't need training and even listing you as an fool who can't fight their complai¿ns.
Are those problems recent?. I guess we only have to wait until the moderators or someone else fix it, guess that site has a long story of bugs or hardships, when it's fixed, i'll advice him he can make a account then.
It's just that by talking with me you are basically risking yourself to get banned and likely looking as some kind of traitor by the site; and the fact that i send you all this big amount of messages may even sound like i'm pushing you. You know as you said you might get banned if they find out you're helping a ban evader. ¿Do they know you have an account on this wiki?
I kind of doubt if they know, yet. Since I still have my editing privileges.
Regarding treachery, personally, I think that their forums are probably worse. The other day, I saw the fallout of someone badmouthing in an video game thread because an moderator was being too sarcastic about it...You three guesses what happened next.
Also just to interact a little more i just made a thread on villains wiki, not sure if you know the wiki but is kind of interesting. You could have fun editing there, also the administrators are a lot more reasonable authority and open to criticism if they've done something wrong, you could like it.
Fixed and buried with Bang's brother and apprentice.
So I was reading the All The Tropes character page for One Punch Man and I noticed that Tornado was listed as an Complete Monster, which is reserved for completely irredeemable villains. The trope that you're looking for is The Dreaded, since both the Monster Association and her own allies are scared of her powers and anger.
Now everything left is to add Saitama to Strong and Skilled, when Zombie manages to sign in TV tropes he's gonna help you and with all the evidence you got i think it's going to be enough. Thanks for the help again.
You know, it wasn't really necessary a forum i mean you could just clean that information in the page of horny devils. You only have to change it and specific that she has never killed a human, neither she or Lilith, you only have to add the correct information. I actually don't understand why did you created a thread about it, all you had to do was just clean that part and add the correct information, cause the way that's writting suggest that disgusting piece of crap that UDON made Morrigan be in the comics it's real.
In my defense, I think there's an limit on how much you can delete on there before anyone notices. And I did make an thread on Ask The Tropers and it was deadlocked; which is why someone else made an thread about the trope in the forums, and they wanted to loosen the description.
I'll try what you said tomorrow and see if anyone will notice.
Well i don't think anybody has problem cause the information i'm asking you to change is wrong, also i don't understand why people went so far from the original request, which it was just cleaning of very wrong description. It's just i can't stand that information about her, it would be like saying this crap is her real personality.
Hey Rabid, don't know if you are gonna be available this weekend but if you will here i got some ideas for the clean up:
I've thinking that you could add on his [Ùnskilled but Strong]] part that he does averts the trope when he actually fights serious, where he shows high combat skill and ability with his power, as well being smart enough to build strategy when he can't kill his enemy on one punch. This just specific why he isn't a straight example of the trope while until Zombie manage to sign in.
I also think that you change his description on Good Old Fisticuffs by writting instead that despite having no martial arts training he did developed amazing fighting skill through pure experience granted to his previous fights during his training and that thanks to his superhuman condition his most basic attacks are deadly weapons. If you want you could add the example of his victory over Garo as an example, since said trope is about untrained brawlers defeating trained martial arts.
And finally i'd like you to add Saitama as an aversion of Arrogant Kung-Fu Guy since he's one of the few characters who is not arrogant or sees himself superior to others despite being the strongest. If you decide to add all this you don't have to write it the same way as i did, i'd like to read it wrote with your own words.
And well, just until we manage to add Saitama to Strong and Skilled you could delete that trope from his page, i don't like to read it knowing it was wrote by that stupid ignorant hypocrite. ¿Could you?
¿Also could you send me the link of Genos' fight with centipede?. I can't find it and maybe you could use it in the thread on TV tropes to show those fools that Genos isn't that skilled as they say he is, they're just ignorant fanboys.
I can do everything but the strong & skilled and unskilled but strong stuff this Friday. Mainly because I'm trying to avoid sparking an edit war and I also want to expand one of my pages on here, tonight.
As for Genos being an competent version of Mumen Rider, here you go.
I understand why not the strong and skilled part yet, but why not the unskilled but strong part?. It is just detail how Saitama is not an a straight example and with your actual knowledge you can back up your add, i just want it to explain better why Saitama does subverts the trope cause the explaination of why he does qualifies (not having combat training) is for itself incredible flawed and dumb and even you know that.
I know it's pretty stupid, but I need to comb through the edit history to be sure that nobody else touched that entry after I did. Because I kind of lost track on whether or not I edited the unskilled but strong entry.
But the Strong and Skilled part feels useless since is already established that Saitama refuses and why he refuses martial arts training in the trope of boxing lessons for Superman and the only you edit of unskilled but strong was the part of coordination, nothing else. Even this wiki gave a better explaination of why he is that, just saying that he lacks formal training is kind of boring and not enough, would be better clean that his attacks and style are flawed and poor most of the time but that he changes when he starts fighting serious, as you had the pleasure to witness. Saitama is not a zig-gazed but an mayor subversion of the trope cause he gives the impression of be the trope, but he isn't.
Also when you mentioned Sonic on the thread one of the guys seems like he agreed and encouraged you to delete Sonic from Strong and Skilled if you feel that he doesn't belong there, and honestly both you and me know he doesn't. I actually think he qualify as both Unskilled but Strong and Weak but Skilled but not both at the same time.
Well, basically everything i've recently messaged you, but aside from that you could also change Morrigan's information on horny devils and delete Sonic from Strong and Skilled, wether you decide to classified him as unskilled but strong or weak but skilled is up to you but i think it's clear he don't qualifies as both. ¿Right?
What i would like is if you could delete the Strong and Skilled part from Saitama since apart from being writting by that idiot (Orbconfusion) its information is already established and explained by the boxing lessons for Superman trope, as well using your actual information to detail why Saitama subverts/averts being Unskilled but Strong, at least until Zombie manage to sign in and help you with him on strong and skilled. You could try to delete Genos as well since you've seen by yourself how he does depend exclusively on his enhancements, using your new information too, you could also give links of moments where it is clear he is nothing when surpassed on power to help your case.
Yeah, I already did most of the stuff that you'd asked me to do. But I think the strong and skilled stuff needs to be settled in an discussion, since it's already an point of contention. Speaking of which, can you get Zombie to keep trying to make an account on there? It doesn't have to be everyday, but can it be at least once a week.
As for the images, there's two pages that need them; since they go with the series that I'm working on. After that, it'll basically be any random old page that I find on here and the new ones that I create.
Also had you noted that on good old fisticuffs says "training training" and you're gonna at least specific how he does subvert Unskilled but Strong. I don't want to put pressure on you i just want to know.
Yeah don't worry but can you at least explain why he does subvert unskilled but strong?. That way the page is more balanced with his actual skills. Where did you exactly did Morrigan?
Regarding to Sonic, i think he is unskilled but strong, even on his description on strong and skilled it is confirmed that his skills aren't really the big deal, "some combat skills and swordplay", you can't men.
Morrigan and Lilith in Darkstalkers. However, Morrigan is depicted as relatively benevolent and Lilith as innocent and misguided. The souls of the men they feed on aren't destroyed, but, rather, continue to exist as part of the succubus, living in endless pleasure and happiness for eternity. Because of this, Morrigan explains (in one of the comics by Udon, though Capcom doesn't take anything not in its games as canon) that she enjoys taking men out of their short, toil-filled lives and giving them bliss. Albeit, the physical aftermath is still ghastly as the man's physical body is left a desiccated corpse that inevitably horrifies whoever comes across it.
Where, it never specifics that Morrigan only drains people on the UDON comics nor that's a big insult to her personality. In the main page of Darkstalkers it is specificated but not in the main horny devils page, you can see it by yourself. The way it's written hints that's what she and Lilith really do (in canon).
Also another thing, i think you should specific why he does averts the trope when serious, like explaining how skilled he reveals to be when fighting serious (which you had already witnessed). Writte it in your style, since i'm sure you had seen how much skilled he really is.
On one hand, his moveset doesn't really change that often. On the other, he teams up with several characters for an powerful attack in Chronicles. Plus, in Sonic Battle and Sonic the Fighters (or whatever that old arcade game was called), he has an wide variety of attacks. But there's also the issue that whenever he gets an larger array of moves, they're usually exclusive to that game.
There are days when I regret being an Sonic nerd...
Even then is safe to say his main power/edge consists about his speed and power, not his skill and is clear he is very much the less skilled of all the characters (something remarked even in his entry on strong and skilled). Seriously, Sonic being an swordman?
¿When you take our discussion to ATT, are you going to complain that Genos don't really belong to Strong and skilled? If that so, use the same stupid logic that idiot used with me; Genos is far more defined by power. And you could accuse him of seeing strong and skilled as a badge of honor, just like he did to me, is time that gorn get's karma.
Merry Christmas too, have a happy day and night. I think is incredible obvious they won't change their shitty minds, still you are far more experienced than me so you know how to handle this kind of crap. Thank you very much for the help and for being such a nice and understandable person with me. I hope Santa bring you what you asked for.
Neither you and Zombie have posted something in two days there, neither have those dudes. I think it should be pretty clear that guy is an idiot and is not going to change your mind, and reverting your edits is now the pinnacle of foolish. I strongly recommend you to take this to ask the tropes, so that idiot can get a little of his own medicine, cause i really hate him. Anyway, just wanted to tell you to let me know when you do it and wish a very merry christmas with your family and friends, Zombie is not going to be available today cause of christmas, and i guess you won't neither, so i just wanted to wish you a happy day and next year. We'll talk in other moment buddy, have fun.
Like I said on the Heroes Wikia, it's the holiday season and they're probably on a vacation. But for what it's worth, I added Offscreen Moment of Awesome on Saitama's character page because I thought it was kind of hilarious over the way the manga handled Gouketsu's death. And if that get reverted, I'll bring it up in Ask The Tropers.
¿When you said it? Well, i'd like that you take on the ask the tropes now but i guess it's okay. I just hope we can bring justice and clean up to the page, as well giving that idiot (Orbconfusion) what he deserves. Are you gonna be available this week?
Yeah, the wiki is dealing with quite a couple of glitchs. I recommend to contact an admin and ask him/her about it. Before you leave, isn't nothing happened on the thread? Or that troper Orbconfusion, had you chat with him recently?
And just to make sure, you're gonna edit the characters page of one punch man after the year ends or you're just gonna wait a time until you decide you have enough things to add and not make obvious you're helping me?
Right, I listed Saitama as Strong and Skilled because he makes the effort to restrain himself, unlike an certain green superhero with anger issues.
About Morrigan being an Horny Devil, aside from Rule 34, I'm not seeing it, since all the info that I could find lists off dreams and the thrill of combat. But since I can't unilaterally delete stuff, I made an thread about this and I'm waiting for an response. Which is that its an downplayed example.
Also it wasn't necessary that example of the incredible hulk, but on the webcomic page there's more details of why saitama qualifites. You know you could list him like that because he exhibits high levels of control AND skill with his power, along with being highly expereinced and show decent fighting skill, but otherwise thanks for the help. Also the fact that he is smart enough to build an strategy, but again thanks for the help, i just think refusing martial arts doesn't mean he's defied, cause genos also refuses.
You know i'm tellign you this just to make the characters page fits more with the webcomic page, so i would appreciate if you could add genos to Unskilled but Strong then, but don't think i'm pushing you, that's up to you to decide
It's just that i think it looks pretty weird writting like that, cause the reason of why of why saitama qualifites are pretty similar to genos, and he refuses learn martial arts too, so how's the deal?
I'm not entirely sure if I have an lot of ground to stand on by calling Genos unskilled, like that. It works with Saitama not having an lot of variety because...he's the One-Punch Man, all he needs to do is to connect with an single punch and he wins by an literal landslide.
While Genos is certainly strong, but like Iron Man and Batman, he has an wide variety of tools (or in this case his robotic arms) to use and he knows how to use them. As for combat experience, it's kind of an weird case, since I'm having trouble finding an English version of the webcomic. But from what I can tell, he certainly isn't a veteran, but he isn't an greenhorn either. And like that time when Goku fought that wolf guy who kept growing, he's capable of thinking as he fighting. So the only thing left is to compare him to how many characters that are in the series who are formally trained in an specific fighting style, like Goku, Tien, and Krillen.
You didn't understood, the webcomic page of one punch man on TV tropes, that's what i'm saying. And yes genos possess more variety, but he has no training on martial arts and is essentially defenless without his enhancements, saitama started fighting being a normal human and in one chapter i don't remember which but he say he fought all kind of evil :Monsters, evil organizations and criminals, so he has great experience and has show some kind of wrestler moves. Genos has no legitimate training and he focus enterily on growing up power, not skill. He's actually listed as Unskilled but Strong on the webcomic page on Tv tropes, just read it. So in terms of skill and experience they're basically the same, it's just that genos is the one actually needing skill, but saitama is by no means a defied case, cause he does possess a fair mix of skills on match with his power, he just, as a troper make focus on the webcomic page, doesn't need it.
Ok, thanks but, could you please take off the defied part. And add examples of him being skilled with his power or how much exaclty he can control himself. By the way, did you read the webcomic page on TV tropes, it can help you
You know something like ; Through his training, not only did he gain infinite power but also developed great skill and ability with said power. Saitama is shown able to restrain himself at the point he can fight non-powered humans without killing or severaly hurting them, and is shown to be skilled and smart using his power, like being able to cause destruction through the shockwaves of his punches.
In addition, saitama fought all kind of criminals, supernatural monsters and evil organizations (there you could add experienced protagonist), and does exhibits a good deal of fighting skill, albeit only when serious.
Ok, but seriously men, could you please delete the defied part, regardless of how you're gonna edit and let the page. Can't you just let like he is skilled using his power and very experienced? I guess that would be enough but could you delete the defied part? Is already established he refuses martial arts lessons, you don't need to remark it
Yeah, I was reading the webcomic to see if I could find anything new about Saitama and it turned out that they missed Mundane Utility and Experienced Protagonist. And I took out the "defied" part. Hopefully, nobody will notice this...
And if you want you can add he has good hand-to-hand combat skills or that he's quite strategist, but say he only shows it when he is actually fighting serious, just for the skilled part to fits more notably, but anyway good job.
As for morrigan, just add the fact that her example is linked to the udon comics, which are non-canon. If you know the character, you know how wrong adapted she is in the udon comics, use that information.
As for saitama, when you correct the page, you can writte he developed great control and skill with his power, since he got said power training, and that he possess good hand-to-hand combat skills and is quite strategist, but he only shows it when serious. Also in his Unskilled but Strong entry, you instead could writte that he lacks technique and corrdination, sounds better. Anyway have a good day
Also just to give couple of ideas, saitama doesn't qualifites as Improbable Aiming Skills?, since he could jump from the moon to earth and land exactly on the same place where boros threw him. Also he's quite Genius Bruiser or a downplayed example, because is shown he is smart enough to build an strategy when he need it. Just to help you to give more proper information
Specifically speaking, he has hand-to-hand combat skills that can keep up with warriors like boros or garou, the former being an universal conquer with centuries of fighting experience and the later a prodigy of martial arts, along with being quite strategist, but all that only is showed when he's fighting serious, so you can put it that way.
I see one troper deleted your information about Strong and Skilled, ok i suggest that you contact with the troper who edited the webcomic page and added saitama to Strong and Skilled so you can have help to discuss the deal properly and not to make it suspecteful.
The troper's name is rva98014, see if he can help you, i'm sure he has more information to add and you can use the examples i'm giving you.
I know you're risking yourself to get problems but you can get help in this case without being banned, i hope you try.
Yeah, they indirectly mentioned you in the edit reason with the explanation that Saitama is mainly defined by his strength and I don't have any good evidence to fight that claim because I haven't got that far in the manga yet.
Even then that claim about being defined by strenght and skill is a big lie, if such thing were true they wouldn't have added genos cause he's mainly defined by his power, also jiren from dragon ball super, they were added for being good using their power, but then again you can contact with the troper who actually did agree with me the first time, i let you his name in one of my recent messages. As for evidence we have saitama's battle against boros, where he's shown fighting with finesse, and his fight with garou, where he does show good hand-to-hand combat skills and builds an strategy to defeat garou. I would reccomend that first you get a little help, and you can talk about how inchorent is that claim about being defined by both strenght and skill, whereas there's characters on Strong and Skilled that are more notable and defined by power or skill.
Well, I can't just repeat history here. I need to talk it out first.
But in the meantime, feel free to edit the page on allthetropes. You're missing quite a few characters (Even if most of the House of Evolution was killed). Just remember that if you're going to write something from tvtropes, you need to completely rewrite it here.
I didn't create the page and i only added a few things. Also, no offense but do you realize how long it'd takes me to completely rewritte that page, i can't. And i'm not an expert with all kind of tropes, i was talking about the few ones that i know and what are.
Anyway if you're gonna discuss the deal on TV tropes please use the information i gave you, thanks for your help and time.
I mean when i first added saitama to Strong and Skilled he did rewritte my edits with better information and grammar and did understood how he qualifites, so if you explain him/her this with the information i provide you, at least you could have a little help. It seems that person has edited one punch man before and does know the series, but i'm not sure.
RabidTankertvtropes wrote: Yeah, they indirectly mentioned you in the edit reason with the explanation that Saitama is mainly defined by his strength and I don't have any good evidence to fight that claim because I haven't got that far in the manga yet.
It's true that saitama is mainly defined by his power, but so does jiren and sonic and both them are listed on Strong and Skilled, as does genos. What that trope is saying is wrong and inchorent to TV tropes as a whole, and you can give examples.
And i'll tell you what, if they (like one or two tropers) refuse to add saitama then you must delete genos cause he is defined by his power not his skill, and his reasons for being such are basically the same as saitama. Then again, i recommend you to try to cantact the troper i told you or tropers who are expert with one punch man.
Seriously men, that troper's argument is completely ruined by the site itself, just go to the main page of Strong and Skilled and you'll see characters like sonic, who's main trait is his speed but is there just because he has some combat skill and swordplay, and jiren from dragon ball super, who's "fighting style" is totally lacking of finesse or technique, but does show high levels of control of his power, and finally genos, who never bothers to learn new techniques, lacks formal combat training, and focus enterily on grow up power. All those characters are defined more by their power instead of skill, but does possess a fair mix of skill along their power, i suggest you make a thread about this and contact other tropers, that troper and the other two who sided with him the first time i spoke with him clearly lacks real knowledge of what Strong and Skilled is, otherwise why the trope i told you let me add saitama to Strong and Skilled the first time?
The speed of arguing is known to be slower than an sloth, at times.
I added the example a few days ago, some guy deleted it, I started an discussion thread on it, that guy said Saitama is more brawn than skills, I saw that the Strong and Skilled example is still on the franchise's manga page, I replied to point this out. I also mentioned that Saitama could easily cause some collateral damage by sending someone and that by destroying skulls, he's actually restraining himself. It's almost like that Superman movie that they remade. Where Superman was punching and dragging Zod through buildings
I'm waiting for it to pick up. But in the meantime, I have an trope to create on here.
But i think you're ignoring important facts that classified saitama as Strong and Skilled aside from perfect control, such as having a good deal of fighting skill, vast amount of combat experience, being smart enough to build strategy (which is what he does in his battle against garou), having excellent precision and being able to read the moves of highly skilled fighters like garou and boros, and finally that we aren't deciding if he is one or another he is both. Also, you could say how hypocrite sounds his argument about being defined by both power and skill, when there's characters on Strong and Skilled that are fairly defined by one aspect but not by both. Also, his lack of coordination looks like Informed Flaw since i don't remember seeing him present that problem.
But while you're discussing it, you could change his information on Unskilled but Strong and writte that he lacks technique and coordination, but that he averts the trope when he starts fighting serious, it would stick well.
I strongly recommend you to try to contact with other users, that troper is clearly not going to understand the point and is just a fanboy of genos. Between you and me, that guy is an idiot, and his posts make clear he is not going to listen to you and thinks himself as an authority figure, i don't recommend you to talk to him.
It seems that the troper deleted saitama from Strong and Skilled on the webcomic, something not written by me but other troper, this proves he is not open to discuss and is just a annoying fanboy that can't hold the opinion of other people. How you're doing with that thread?
You know, i can understand why you like more this site, with people like that idiot of orbconfusion who thinks himself too smart yet his arguments to deny saitama and add genos to Strong and Skilled are basically the same, and that thing about being defined by power and skill when there's characters who aren't defined by one of those traits, reason of why i added saitama to begin with. Do you see how flawed his arguments are?
If you need to watch the fight between garou and saitama you need to go to the webcomic, it's on youtube just search it. But my point is that sonic isn't defined by his skill, but rather by his speed, neither does jiren, whose skill is just being good using his power but lacks any real combat skill thus far. Also genos, again his reason to being there are just the same as saitama, he is more tactical than saitama, still relies solely and brings more power than skill, and refuses martial arts lessons. Couldn't you at least delete him from Strong and Skilled? It makes no sense for him to be there, and he was from the begining listed as Unskilled but Strong. Also, having some combat skills and swordplay doesn't make you an expert, but apparently works enough to make you as skilled as powerful, seriously do you understand why i'm trying to get saitama there?
Also in the moment that saitama couldn't defeat a opponent in one punch he just builded an strategy quite fast, not bad for someone "unskilled"
Also you could delete genos from Strong and Skilled since what that troper said, genos uses more skill than saitama, but he is far more defined by power, so you can delete him and add him as a downplayed example of Unskilled but Strong. I would appreciate if you can do it, since it would make sense with the character and it'd give that troper a taste of his own medicine.
You can delete genos based in what that troper said, just watch genos's fight, he uses and is far more defined by power rather than skill and he refuses martial arts, so he also defies Strong and Skilled
He is wrong, Strong and Skilled is for characters that possess a reasonable mix of skills and power. Along with his superhuman condition, saitama also possess perfect control and ability with his powers, excellent precision, great combat skill, fighting experience, strategy, and is an Improbable Weapon User.
For that matter, you could add saitama to Improbable Aiming Skills considering he jumped from moon to earth and land in the exact place where boros kicked him.
Anyway, if you want to follow that troper claim, you must list genos as a defied case too, cause he refuses martial arts training and never learns new techniques with his cyborg enhancements, his reason to be Strong and Skilled are the same reasons as i gave to saitama.
In fact if you think about it, genos is only a downplayed example of Unskilled but Strong, he uses more skill than saitama, but what defines him is his overwhelming firepower, which is what he uses most of the time, few are thi times when he uses strategy to fight his enemies. He also refuses martial arts lessons and never try to learn anything new with his modifications, he is totally dependent of his cyborg enhancements, oppose to saitama who started fighting evil as a normal human. Genos has no real technique, still that troper added him to Strong and Skilled, just because he has "the physical finesse to back up" his power, which is basically the same reason i added saitama in the first place. Genos's fighting style is totally dependent of his powers ¿This reminds you someone?
See the kind of idiots i had to deal with, and it's obvious he's just a fanboy of genos and didn't evenpay attention to my points, since he points out how saitama looses balance in battle when he is barely trying to fight to begin with.
I have no problem to wait until you get something from the manga, but i ask you to delete genos from Strong and Skilled, cause by what that troper said genos doesn't deserve to be there, genos is far more defined by power than skill and that troper clearly has no intention to listen and be reasonable, so go for what he is asking for.
Let's just compare saitama with jiren from dragon ball super, dude doesn't seems to have a martial arts fighting style, in fact, it is repeteadly stated he lacks said proficiency style and is even listed as Good Old Fisticuffs, which if i remember right is about untrained brawlers defeating martial artists. Heck, tons of wiki remarks how simple his fighting style is. Still he is skilled because he shows great control and skill with his power, as saitama does.
In fact, just search it, there's a lot of people who complain jiren's lack of combat skill on other wikis, and his prowess are basically like saitama, being skilled and controled using his power and being able to read the moves of highly skilled and experienced fighters, the difference is that jiren does takes fight serious. In fact, saitama is far from lacking skill and finesse, he just doesn't need it.
But while you're trying to get points of why saitama qualifites could i ask you a favor. At least, ¿could you delete the Strong and Skilled trope from his character page and instead add on his Unskilled but Strong part that he averts the trope when he starts fighting serious? At least until you get enough to show why he deserves to be on Strong and Skilled. Also delete genos from there, if what that trope say is true, genos doesn't deserve to be on Strong and Skilled cause he's more defined by his cyborg power than his skill, i know you're in your way on the thread but could you at least do this if you have no problem, cause i think it'd suit the characters and the page. Again, thanks for your help.
Cause seriously, there is a lot of people who claim jiren has no actual skill or technique, and the big deal about him is his power, not his skill. Yet he is listed as Strong and Skilled cause he exhibits "extraordinary high levels of skill and control with his power", which is basically why i was adding saitama and that troper has the nerve to tell me that he needs to be defined by strenght and skill. Do you understand what kind of idiot you're dealing with?
I recognize an flawed argument when I see one, but I'd rather not bore you with my past. So in this case, I kind of seen this before an few times; and I can say that the one who responded isn't going to change their mind.
I haven't seen Jiren yet, but his description wouldn't be unusual in the DragonBall series. After all, the angels who accompany the Destroyers are said to be stronger than them. And if Whis is anything to go by, they're quite skilled at fighting.
I'll start it up on Friday, when I have more free time.
Yeah, whis and the angels are great martial artists, but jiren never does a martial art move at all. He lacks any sort of technique and finesse in his fighting style, something that people discuss very often, in fact, there's people who compare jiren with saitama for the way they fight (and because they're both bald XD). My point is, in Strong and Skilled there's characters who are far more defined by a trait than another ¿you think people recognize sonic as a swordman? And characters like kevin levin from ben 10, kevin has no formal combat training and fights purely with brute force or improvised moves, basically the same as saitama, admitedly, he is a genius who can create highly tecnological artefacts, still his fighting style isn't that impress. They like to throw me in the face that saitama has no martial arts training, still it seems they ignore the fact that couple of characters who are in Strong and Skilled have no real training neither, actually genos (whom that troper added to Strong and Skilled) has no real training and is totally dependent of his powers to fight, saitama got his power by training and during said training he fought all kind of evil being just a normal human, which obviously got him plenty fighting skills. In fact, saitama is confirmed to be the hero who has killed most monsters in the series. Plus, all the moments when he showed skill were moments when he was serious, and as far as i'm concerned, Strong and Skilled tend to be serious. C'mon, even you know how wrong this is.
Anyway, i'm not going to push you. Take the time you need, chances are that you get that page cleaned.
Then again ¿Couldn't you delete the Strong and Skilled part from saitama's page and add on the Unskilled but Strong part that he does averts the trope when he fights serious? Just to balance things until you get enough stuff to shut the mouth of that troper.
So I just got done reading Chapter 17, and you're certainly right about Genos relying on his modifications. The manga even implies this by having "Anti-Saitama Tactical Arm" painted on the back of his left hand in the chapter he spars with Saitama. And despite the double-handed energy blasts and extreme speed, Saitama was literally a few steps ahead of him.
On the plus side, I think it should qualify as an skill if you're regular catching an ninja's throwing knives with your bare fingers...Or at the very least, you have superhuman reflexes. Seriously, there isn't an lot of people who can do this in real life.
And if you considere it skill, in his battle with genos and garou he had no problem seeing through their attacks, safe to say, if they managed to hit him is because saitama let them do it, even sonic confirmed saitama easily saw through his ninja techniques. Keep in mind saitama has never meet anyone like any of those three, yet he has no problem reading their moves.
Also saitama was hardly trying and even then genos can't keep up with him.
But since you know how much genos rely on his cyborg functions, i though it'd be better delete him from Strong and Skilled and instead, add him only as Unskilled but Strong. In fact, i think genos does play with the trope, since he uses more skill than saitama, but uses far more power and never bothers to learn martial arts or new techniques, so when you edit it, i recommend you to add him as a played with of Unskilled but Strong. Also, genos's main strategy is usually go all in to his enemies with raw power, acting like a berserker, that's for sure isn't skill.
Genos does possess more finesse than saitama, but that's not saying much and he refuses to learn martial arts from bang, by all that genos can't qualifite as Strong and Skilled but rather as a played with of Unskilled but Strong.
Also, saitama does start the series not only with superhuman condition but also having fought all kind of criminals, supernatural monsters and evil organizations, something he relates to genos when he founds out nobody knows about him. You could add that to experienced protagonist. Also ¿does saitama really lacks coordination?. Cause i've never actually seen him with said problem and sometimes (when serious) he does shows to be quite coordinated.
Do you watch one piece? Do you know monkey d luffy? Then you know what's my point of adding saitama as Strong and Skilled, by some troper, luffy has moved from Unskilled but Strong to Strong and Skilled because he has trained and is know in full control of his power, the problem begins with the fact that luffy isn't a great tacnician nor he has training in martial arts, thus his fighting style is incredible wildly and lacking of technique, he fights with even less finesse than the hulk. He also doesn't know how to use weapons or swords, still he has full mastery of his power, so...
You know why i'm trying to get saitama there, right? I based on all TV tropes views as skill, in fact, that was probably why when i added saitama for the first time a troper corrected my mistakes and let the page clean. That troper is the only one who's actively preventing from adding saitama to that trope, and he still added genos even though his reasons to qualify are the same as saitama.
Don't try to talk with him, that kind of idiots aren't that reasonable.
Also if you want something else as skill, when saitama fights with garou and the latter is able to predict all his moves, saitama quickly adapts and builds and strategy to make him unable to predict his moves, not bad for someone "unskilled".
If you somehow manages to add saitama to Strong and Skilled without that idiot bothers, you can just writte he developed high control and skill with his power, along with having a good deal of fighting skill and finesse, and being quite strategist. And to make things clear, you can writte he does fit the trope only when he's fighting serious.
I see you've had to deal with idiots like that troper who keeps refusing to let saitama in Strong and Skilled. ¿Don't you hate people like that? People whom think themselves so smart and that stuff, yet they make arguments so flawed and stupid. IHATE THEM.
Hi, buddie. I got a few ideas for you if you're going to edit the one punch man page on TV tropes. If you can't add saitama to Strong and Skilled yet, i wish you could at least delete the defied part from his page and instead you could clean up saitama on Unskilled but Strong. He is a invoked and subversion of that trope, he refuses martial arts cause he is already too powerful, thus he doesn't need it, and over time he is shown to possess a fair mix of skills along with his power anyway. Like excellent control, precision and finesse, is not only his training with genos but also other examples where he shows to be very skilled with his power, along with being smart enough to build an strategy when need it. He doesn't lacks skill or finesse, he just doesn't need it and he is shown to be a proficient fighter when he is serious, deftly combining strength, speed, agility and prowess to overwhelm his foes.
Also genos, i think you should just list him as a played with of Unskilled but Strong; As your could have seen, genos relies more in raw power than technical skill and is totally dependent of dr genus to fix him and give him new upgrades, he never develops new abilities by himself nor he does train to use well said abilities, even though he is shown to a highly tactical fighter, again, he carry on raw and overwhelming power to fight most of the times, since he is so overconfident on his power that he thinks he doesn't need skill. Plus, genos also refuses martial arts from bang for pretty much the same reason that saitama, cause he is already an insanely powerful cyborg.
These are my ideas, and another thing. If you see these messages i would appreciate if you could respond with more than one message, cause you're abscent most of the time and i'm not sure if you read all my messages. Thanks for your time.
I'm sorry if it seems that I've been ignoring you lately, it's just that I'm more active on the weekends.
I've gotten to Chapter 26 of the manga, but I'm not done reading it, yet. I'll tell you what I think of the Deep Sea King chapter in a little bit.
By the way, can you list Saitama and Genos as an Lightning Bruiser on here? Because while Genos is certainly fast and uses an LOT of firepowr during his sparring session with Saitama, he's still a few steps behind Saitama.
Ok, i'm gonna do it, actually today i added couple of characters with images, i still need more information to add tropes.
But by the way, could you list genos as a played with Unskilled but Strong?, as you can see genos uses more skill than saitama but still relies enterily on firepower rather than skill, don't know if you have read my last messages, and you could delete the Strong and Skilled part of saitama too and rather explain why he does at least subverts the trope of Unskilled but Strong, cause i feel uncomfortable reading it like that.
Also, you could add genos and saitama to Genius Bruiser, genos got an excellent result on his mental hero test and saitama, although he usually looks dumb, he is shown to be wise and able to perceive people real nature and intentions, as well being smart enough to build an strategy (as it shows his battle with garou).
So I've read the Deep Sea King arc and not an lot happened with Saitama, except that the public is pissed at him for being an fraud who showed up late. But it does shows an lot on how screwed up the world is.
The battle against Boros was almost an fair fight. Since it turned out that Boros picked an fight because he was bored and lasted longer than the Deep Sea King. But once Saitama finally got serious, the fight was more or less over at that point.
As you go with it you could at least do some of the edits i recommend you? Like genos being Unskilled but Strong but a very played case, and if you saw saitama's fight with boros you now know he doesn't lack finesse, in the whole fight saitama never lose balance and is shown to be very good in defense and strike, as you said, once saitama got serious, boros got fucked.
Sure, he looks spaced out most of the time; but he rarely gets hit, easily avoided Genos' energy barrage, and shrugged off an high-speed duel against Boros. Although, there was the part where he got sent to the moon; but this is just one surprise attack against an entire cemetery's worth of monsters.
I think i'm gonna do it on sunday, cause now i'm really busy with other things.
And yeah, that's because i aks you to delete genos from Strong and Skilled (as well saitama's defied part of that trope) cause genos does not fits for the next reasons: refusing Boxing Lessons for Superman, focusing enterily on grow up power, have literally no skills outside powers (saitama at least can hold his own without powers, since he started that way) and finally because his solution to fight is always more firepower and he doesn't even trains to use well his functions, he is even less controled than saitama.
By all that i ask you again ¿could you please delete him from Strong and Skilled and just list him as a weird case of Unskilled but Strong on the characters sheer?. Seriously, don't you think is weird that he is listed as one thing and another, it makes no sense.
Also with all the information you have now, you could at least add some details of why saitama does subverts the trope Unskilled but Strong
In a chapter that I just read, he picked an fight with Sonic, who had learned some new moves. While Genos is certainly faster than before, I'm pinning this on his cybernetics. Since he's mostly machine anyways.
Saitama, on the other hand, took over and combined his sidestepping exercise with one of his serious punches to teach Sonic an lesson. If this doesn't count as innovation, I don't know what will.
So as you can see, saitama is far more skilled and proficient with his power than genos, and maybe this is because he got that power via training, unlike genos. Anyway, advice me when you edit the page on TV tropes, let's hope that idiot don't come again with his flawed arguments to defend genos.
Look, i'm not pushing you, but since you got more information to back it up i would appreciate if you could do some of my edits, like deleiting genos from Strong and Skilled and adding him as a zig-gazed case of Unskilled but Strong as well explaining why saitama does subverst that trope. Also if you have time, ¿could you delete the Strong and Skilled part from saitama or list genos as a defied case of said trope too?, since he does refuses martial arts lessons too.
I'm sorry, but I was reading the manga so I can find the fight between Saitama and Garou. I'm at Chapter 74, shit is getting real with the Monster Association and Saitama is nowhere to be found while the heroes are barely scraping by...And Mumen Rider is still refusing to give up, even when he's severely injured. But with around 30 more chapters to go, I figurd that I'm almost done with gathering evidence. In this case, Saitama did an good job of avoiding the martial arts champion's attacks; but he was mainly holding onto his wig.
So while I was busy, someone opened up an forum thread on TVT about whether or not Horny Devils is being misused. Nothing noteworthy has happened yet, but I'm waiting on it.
But by all that, it means you're about to get evidence ¿right?. Tell me, for what you've seen, ¿do you think saitama qualifies as Strong and Skilled? ¿and what about genos, are you going to delete him from Strong and Skilled?
Yeah, I think I have enough examples for Saitama using his skills when he fights.
As for Genos, aside from spraying glue on the ground (which is his final option), the guy normally charges in with his cannons blazing. Even though he has an long-ranged attack, I find that he normally gets in someone's face and then burns them until nothing is left. Besides, it isn't shown that he does design his parts on his own in the same manner that Iron Man does; so I'm putting engineering on the list of skills that he doesn't have.
But I need to use the discussion page, first, otherwise it'll count as edit-warring
So to recap, I'm going to list the following so I'm not forgetting anything important:
Saitama is an skilled fighter, but he doesn't show it much because most of his fights end with an single punch. Consequently, he's constantly bored and he's looking for someone to test his skills on.
One of the first times when he started using his skills is when Speed of Sound Sonic ambushed him. He caught one of the ninja's knives with his fingers and effortlessly dodged the ninja's attacks.
There's the high-speed duel against Boros and neither of them landed a good hit on each other, until Saitama was sent flying to the moon.
He easily avoided all of Genos' attacks during their sparring session.
When the ninja fought against him an second time, Sonic managed to create several illusions of himself and started to charge at Saitama. In an moment of what I consider to be improvisation, Saitama started jumping side-to-side, like he did during his entrance exam and started punching like there's no tomorrow.
And the final round of the martial arts tournament mainly had him on the defensive against an renowned expert, who was initially missing him.
After writing this, remember how the characters of DragonBall started to hit and dodge their opponents' attack at high speeds? Well, Goku and his friends didn't started off fighting like this. But since superpowered aliens needed an new layer of combat expertise to deal with, an lot of the fight scenes are what would happen if the One Punch Man met someone who is as fast as him (like Boros).
Also the battle between saitama and garou is on youtube, and there you can see how saitama does use the enviorenment at his advantage to make garou unable to predict his moves. Also, boros managed to hit saitama cause saitama let him, he wanted to let boros enjoy a good battle cause he felt sorry for him.
Yeah, it's better that way, i'm sure if other users see it they're gonna agree cause that troper orbconfusion is not gonna change his mind. But you have proves now, let's just hope that tropers who have a piece of brain see it and not that idiot.
If you think i'm a bit rude for calling him idiot, try tu understand. His argument about saitama being defined by power rather than skill is true, but even then he added genos as Strong and Skilled and while genos is decently skilled he's far more defined by power and refuses martial arts too, still he added him.
When a person does a valid point, but then fails to aplly it to himself, you really can't ask me to be more respectful with him, i tried to be the most polite and patient with him, but it's just that guy just doesn't know when to stop. And now you're being a witness of that by yourself.
Yeah, kind of i feel sorry you have to deal with this idiot, note how he start with all kind of excuses to avoid putting saitama on Strong and Skilled and then he give up and just threw that foolish of being defined by power instead of skill, he literally has no excuses now. I wish the troper who agreed with me the first time and edited and added the example on the webcomic page shows up, in fact, i just hope that idiot is not the only one you have to talk to.
¿But you know what you could do in a while you're discussing it?. You could delete genos from Strong and Skilled. Seriously men, i'm getting sick of seeing him in said trope and i think you've seen by yourslef why he can't qualify by all standards and that idiot's logic of being defined by power rather than skill.