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  • "All The Tropes decides what does and does not fit the Complete Monster Trope based on set criteria, and in the event of a dispute where some possible room for doubt exists, we will discuss it, but if a consensus has been reached beforehand on a CM topic and it is brought up again, there must NEW evidence based on FACTs (not opinion) to cast that subject into doubt again or the decision made prior will still apply."

    Please heed this statement and follow it better. If not, there will be consequences.

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  • Rumple is a closed case by ATT standards. As for Nero, look up his Wikipedia article for his Antichrist connection. I think knowledge of that really boosts how heinous he is by the standards of the work.

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    • Thank you so much.

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    • Though I still don't get what made it so important to begin with.

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  • I'll need to see the episode itself in order to make a final judgement, but from what I've read, he doesn't seem worse than Zen Tuo for mainly too reasons:

    1. Leaving the gang sealed in somewhere doesn't sound as extreme as blowing someone up.

    2. The culprit apparently has a wife who works with him on his plans, which indicates he has a loved one and negates the "no mitigating features" rule.

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  • Leave well enough alone, please?

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    • BTW did you know you don't have have to be a user on a Wikia to vote? I've voted on polls on other Wikia's before I signed up, so anyone can vote, it's not limited to Villains Wikia Users.

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    • Then if you know anyone not on Wikia who might agree, you can tell them about the poll.

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  • On both this wiki and the Orain one, we've run into repeated trouble with your understanding of how this trope works here. You've alternated between using your own opinions and definitions for who or what qualifies for the trope (Lord Farquaad, King Stefan, Morgan Moonscar, the Torturer) or using TV Tropes' standards and policies in regards to the trope for who or what DISqualifies one from the trope (Xemnas, Exdeath, Kevin 11, Rumple, Stromboli, Hidan, the entire Bible subpage), and have sometimes attempted to add subpages even when it wasn't needed.

    Given how harsh and strict to the point of being anal the trope has become on TV Tropes, this is NOT a trope we want too much trouble with here. If you're having trouble determing what could/should or could not/should not qualify for the trope as it's defined by us on this wiki, the simple solution to your problems is both on the main page, in the definition, as the criteria listed for how to recognize qualifiers or candidates, and on the Analysis page, which goes into extra detail about how to look at this trope and how to determine the varying ways in which a villain can or cannot qualify. Basically, a villain qualifies if they meet all the given criteria and are constructed to allign with what the Analysis states, and sometimes one might qualify if they only narrowly miss one criteria but hit off everything else. (That's more of a "borderline case", or "99% Monster", but we don't have a trope for that, so they go on here anyway.)  But if a villain misses the mark on more then one criteria and fails to match up with the Analysis, then they don't belong on the trope, period.

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    • So are 4 examples enough for a page? Because now Akane Ga Kill has 4.

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    • If you want, go ahead.

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  • hello ms satsuki i admire your work

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  • Seriously? You replaced Rumpelstilskin's write-up with an entry for FARQUAAD? Farquaad is not even remotely heinous enough to qualify for the trope - he's only above Prince Charming in terms of heinousness. It'd be one thing if he was committing genocide against the fairy tale characters like Rumple did against ogres, but he wasn't - he was just deporting them to the swamps. His torture of the Gingerbread Man was Played For Laughs, as was his height issue, vanity, desire to be king, sexual lust for Fiona, his death, and pretty much everything else about him. He has no body count, a insanely low attempted body count, and most of his actions amounted to just weaseling his way into getting what he wanted.

    Also, if you have to use "implied" more than once in an entry, chances are the character's monstrous nature isn't explicit, if existent at all. So no, he doesn't count at all.

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    • I have one last question to ask regarding Farquadd, Aki Honda and Tomoo are both considered Complete Monsters, but if you removed their respective MEHs they'd just be obnoxious bullies. Is the difference that they're played seriously even before they cross the line?

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    • Pretty much. That, and their actual MEHs are particularly heinous and more extreme than saying "I'm going to do X" or "I'm going to have X happen!" only to then immediately get taken out in an esay and rather humorous manner.

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  • Hi, welcome to All The Tropes Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the Complete Monster/Kingdom Hearts page.

    Please leave me a message if I can help with anything!

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    • Xemnas doesn't contain Xehanort's soul, he contains a piece of his heart. And Braig's gold eyes mean he already had a piece of Xehanort's heart inside him before becoming a nobody. All Xemnas's evil characteristics are due to the piece of Xehanort's heart inside him, take that away and he's Terra's nobody.

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    • Soul-heart, whatever. And what I'm saying is that a piece of Xehanort's heart wasn't "put in him" like it was with Braig and Saix - it was there from the moment of Xemnas' birth because Xehanort's heart had been inside the man who'd become a Heartless and Nobody. If it was taken away, Xemnas probably would be restored to just having recollections of Terra and no Xehanort characteristics, but again, that's an Angel-Angelus thing. It doesn't make the Xemnas we've seen in the past few games any less of a monster.

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