When User:Dai-Guard imported Even Evil Has Standards this included placing it in Category:No Real Life Examples, Please. I would like to propose removing this and creating an 'In Real Life' section with an example of how even though in the Roman Empire slavery was legal, they began with banning the castration of slaves, and moved on to banning a wider range of genital mutilation and freeing slaves who were victim to it.
First, the user in question is a bot, they imported all pages after having converted them from TV Tropes format to MW format.
Second, Real Life is a really hard one to justify a section for, because, for starters, while the Roman Empire had it's bad points, it was also highly advanced in the fields of law, ethics, and philosophy (building on many of those that they inherited via the Greeks as well as their own contributions), and their laws and ethics became the basis of many still used codes of law today.
Calling them "Evil" is really a matter of opinion, and the trope focuses on provable fact based on an overall evil entity still adhering to something resembling ethics or standards regardless.
As applied to what I said above, if we assume the Roman Empire is evil, then anything based off their work (including an overwhelming amount of nations who owe a debt to the Roman Empire for part of their cultural history and development) is thus "evil" by default because of the association, thus NRLEP is a sane standard this page should adhere to.
If we were to use the obvious example of say, Hitler, and mention his not so bad points, it's still a problem drawing a good/evil line in the sand because that just invites a ton of flame warring for reasons I don't need to belabor.
Basically, I must reject the idea of removing NRLEP for that trope.
I totally agree that evil's a matter of opinion, but that sort of subjectivity can extend to fiction as well as real life. Obviously few IRL can compare to the Joker, but even though he's the trope identifier I doubt we use the Joker as the bottom-line requirement for 'evil' examples. Even_Evil_Has_Standards/Western_Animation lists Smithers, for example, and "Brain" (from Pinky and the Brain: why is trying to take over the world evil in and of itself with no other stated objectives? Brain may want to better the world) or Randall Weems from Recess who (while an antagonist) merely informs the teacher of disruptive activities.
It even mentions Pinkie Pie with the disclaimer "while she isn't evil..." so I'd be glad to include disclaimers like that, that the Roman Empire is was not an absolute evil despite keeping slaves. It's certainly more of a subjective evil than Pinkie Pie though (excluding cupcakes fics).
Labelling fictional characters evil could invite flame warring too, for those who take it too seriously. People who flame over IRL labelling are obviously taking things too seriously as well. Is there some way we could perhaps include it as a "Your Mileage May Vary/Even Evil Has Standards" to make it clear that we don't consider it to be a universal or un-arguable position?
In the interests of honesty, I edited your previous post, but only to remove a redlink.
As for your proposal, EEHS is trope applied to fiction because fiction is "contained" in a world we can objectively judge from the safety of our own, by our standards of morality.
Reality lacks this containment, and while most morals like not killing without legally justifiable cause accepted by most places with an iota of established law make objective sense, it's not so easily to apply legal and ethical standards we generally can use to interpret fictional moral and ethical situations and apply them to real world people and situations, it invites so much complaint and debate when we do this in matters of law we need actual courts with meticulous rules to hash these things out most of the time.
Doing so informally concerning real world people and entities is just begging for more hassle than it's worth.
Hm... perhaps 'more objectively', I don't think it's possible to be purely objective even with fiction since we still view morality in it through a lens of real life ideologies. IE opposition to slavery in fiction would be rooted in opposition to slavery from real life.
It could be worth the hassle so long as it could be contained and not disrupt the rest... I guess perhaps a 'real life tropes' project for any IRL tropes forbidden here then?