Future Diary/Headscratchers

• When Yuno and Yuki had sex, Yuno said that it was her first time. But this is the second time she entered the game, what about the first world Yuki? Did she have sex with him (which means that she lied about her virginity) or she killed him before they could have sex in the first world ?
  • When she is about to be raped by the cultists she screams about wanting her first time to be with Yukki, proving that she hadn't had sex with the 1st world Yukki.
  • I think we will never know the truth. For all we know, her scream could be part of the facade she put on the whole series to make sure what happened in the last game would happen again.
• How, in the name of all things supernatural and uncanny, did Yuno find out that the tomato in the salad the 5th made was poisoned? I've always thought that she knew because it's happened once in the past, but now that it's been revealed that the past situation was different, that explanation doesn't make sense anymore.
  • Even if past events were different, the fact that the 5th is a diary user remained the same, which means Yuno already knew that he was planning something. So I guess she was properly paranoid and just made a lucky guess?
    • The official explanation is that the weight was off in the tomatoes from when she washed them to when they were about to eat them. This appears strange, yes, but when you factor in she was on her guard all day it makes perfect sense. Of course she would notice even the slight change and react as if it was the worst possible thing. A combination of luck, paranoia, and skill.
• If the terrorist bomber is supposed to try and avoid detection, why has she filed her teeth down to points? Its great for intimidation, yeah, but makes blending in kinda difficult.
  • Well, she is insane. And missing an eye. Hell, look at her first outfit - blending in probably isn't so high on her agenda.
    • It takes some looking into, but there is something of a parallel side-story with her at the focus. They explain the fashion code a bit (She just likes it, which is something that surprises herself a bit), and as for the teeth... it's a art style thing, when she is more calm later in the volumes, she lacks many of the fangs and pointed teeth unless she expressions are a bit lively.
• How did the first one to die (i.e. the 3rd) manage to survive long enough to become a contestant if he kept a diary of his crimes on a cell phone, where it could have easily been remotely accessed by law enforcement officials?
  • Magic cell phone. Also, how/why would they remotely access the diary of a random teacher?
    • Ah, but the policeman did say the teacher had already been a suspect in the serial killings for some time. Given that, it wouldn't have been random at all.
    • But it could have been a prepaid cellphone, or a cellphone that has no access to the internet. It would make sense that a serial killer would be careful enough to do that.
  • The anime just adds to this problem. Apparently, even 3rd himself considered a phone cataloging his exploits much too dangerous to allow its continued existence.
• If Yuki paid close enough attention to events around him that he could keep an accurate detailed diary of what he sees, how did he not notice that Yuuno was stalking him closely enough to keep a diary down to every tenth minute interval?
  • Too busy wallowing in self-pity?
  • She is just that good?
  • Why pay attention to a person who goes to your school, is in your class, and lives relatively close to you? It's not like they would be a Stalker with a Crush just because they may have a few coincidences enabling them to around you.
• If Yuno's diary keeps working at night, when they are far separated, and the diaries replicate what they WOULD have done had they not had the magic diary, does that mean that before the Game started, she camped out just outside Yuki's house every night keeping an eye on him? If so, how the hell did he not notice?
  • ...I got nothing.
  • Oblivious to Love cranked Up to Eleven, perhaps? Yuki seems to be pretty much coasting through life prior to the plot hitting; sure, he people-watches, but assumes he's too dull and uninteresting for anyone to be returning the favor. Plus, Rule Of Paranoia Fuel probably applies...
  • Obviously, the diaries are exaggerations of their original observations. Do you think Yuki would really have sat up after being killed in Ch1 and written "Caught by serial killer and killed"?
• Why does everyone keep saying that the diary holders are insane? Granted, I only read the regular series, but I haven't seen anything truly disturbing from anyone besides Yuno.
  • Yeah. Nothing crazy at all about a serial killer, a terrorist bomber, the prophetess of a self-proclaimed Religion of Evil, a guy who thinks he's a Hero of Justice but actually is just a vigilante nutcase, the Tyke Bomb, the cop who betrayed his principles, the group of orphans trying to make their foster mother figure God whether she wants it or not and killing in the process (and the mother herself, who kills for her little darlings because they want her to), a mayor who wants his citizens to become a master race like Hitler wanted, gaining nigh-omniscience as a byproduct of it, a man manically in love with his dogs, neglecting anything else for them... Nothing crazy at all!
  • I think, to put it a little more clearly, everyone is crazy, but most are just crazy in slightly more subtle ways than Yuno is. To put things mildly, every contestant is unbalanced, but Yuno has already fallen off the tightrope and is bouncing giddily on the trampoline below.
  • It seems the only sane diary holders besides Yuki are the 7th.
    • It could be argued that the the 7th are crazy for each other, and in a way that stretches way beyond being a loving couple. And Yuki... with the help of Yuno and the scenarios he's put into, Yuki eventually cracks and/or shatters mentally under the strain of the game..
• Marco's second diary, the one that predicts the enemy's next attack, would be highly inconvenient in real life. Holding and reading a diary during a fight can distract the fighter. And unless the holder can read an entry in less than 0.5 second, there's no way he'll have the time to react to the enemy's attack. Plus, the 7th's diaries would also be useless during a fight, because it takes even more time to talk out loud. Of course, the same goes for Yukiteru and Yuno's diaries. Also, it bothers me how random teenagers are so much stronger (Yuno) and smarter (Akise) than well-trained policeman (Nishijima). There's something wrong with the local security. Heck, even the orphans are better guards than the police. Then, there's the fact that Yukiteru managed to survive the infinite numbers of bombs. Even though not all the bombs were fatal, some of them made buildings explode. However, none of them had ceilings crash on the characters... There's so many problems with the law of physic in that world. However, I shouldn't expect too much science from a shounen manga.
  • Yes, all very improbable breaks from reality. One would almost need a Deus Ex Machina to explain things.
  • Yuno's already played the game before, you can expect she's got a load of experience and knowledge regarding combat and stuff. Akise's smart because he was designated as an observer. There are loads of people that are stronger than your average policeman. Also, the physics there isn't as wonky as you think... it's perfectly possible to avoid a lot of bombs, and any rubble that might come down.
  • Well, the diary entries are all written ahead of time so unless the future changes Marcos Fighting Diary kicks butt. He could just plan all his moves days before an attack!
• Why is almost everyone making a huge deal out of the recent sex scene? First of all, what makes it any different from a sex scene between the hero and the "love interest" (note the quotation marks, I use this term VERY loosely)? Second--in regards to complaints that Yuno isn't "pure" anymore -Yuno is a friggin' psychopath, so she wasn't exactly "pure" to begin with (sexually, yes; in every other way, no). And third...in this series, schools have been blown up, people have had their heads chopped off, a small child has tried to kill the two heroes with poison gas...and they freak out over a sex scene?
  • . . . who are we talking about now?
  • Yuki and Yuno. Despite Yuno's diary entry for July 28 being phrased as "Yuki and Yuno Become Bound Together", which can ALSO be read as "Yuki and Yuno Have Sex" (ie, something that most, if not all, fans should have seen coming at one point or another), the amount of rage over it is absurd. It's one thing to merely dislike the scene itself; it's another to rage about how Yuno is no longer "pure", and Yuki is taking a lot of hate for it (apparently, it's a case of Die for Our Ship with Yuki dying for the ship of "Yuno/Me"). And it's also pretty funny that people freak out over one sex scene after several violent scenes precede it.
    • That's what I meant. Who are these idiots?
      • I'm sorry, let me get this straight. People called Yuno pure? Have they been reading the same manga I have?! Apart from the mass killing she partakes in, she's snuck into his bed, had him grope her, forced kisses on him, and occasionally goes around Pants-Free. At one point, she even asked him outright if he was going to do anything to her, utterly hopefully he was. This scene has been a long time in coming, so I can't see how they can rage about it. I for one liked the scene, though I was slightly shocked it was so explicit. It was just enough WAFF mixed with a hint of Manipulative Bastard to be perfect. Plus it was plot important.
        • I think people called her pure because of this quote, and her blushing too. To be honest, if this was anyone other than Yuno, then I'd baww.

Yuno: I..It's my first time, so... please be gen...tle...

• If the Yuno from this reality is dead, then doesn't that mean that, as of Chapter 51, Yuki has won?
  • Nope. The Yuno from this reality was never the 2nd to begin with, the previous Yuno killed her and took her place before the game started, and so did become the legitimate 2nd. Which presents an interesting solution to Yuno's dilemma...if she had let the current Yuno become the 2nd, she could have killed her, either immediately or when everyone else was dead, depends on how the diaries work, taken her place, and that could lead to Current-Yukiteru becoming god, with Previous-Yuno still being alive.
  • Is this canon, or speculation? If this Yuno wasn't a diary-holder, then why did she have a Future Diary?
  • "This Yuno" = the dead Yuno. "Previous Yuno" = the one we see in the story. Previous-Yuno has a future diary because she kept her one from her original world, and has an additional one that was granted when she began participating in the game in the current world.
    • Again, where does it state this? Isn't it just as likely that Yuno killed this universe's Yuno after she was given a Future Diary?
      • I haven't had the time to find the exact chapter yet (I'll have the time tomorrow, no point in making an argument without evidence if the evidence is easy enough to find.) Anyway, if I'm recalling it right, the flashback shows This Universe's Yuno (dead one) stalking Yuki, and throwing a makeshift spear at another girl (which hits the teacher who would become 3rd). You see Deus and Murumuru talking about how these three people will become 1st, 2nd, and 3rd (the game hadn't started yet) If I'm remembering it right, Previous-Universe-Yuno kills This-Universe-Yuno quite soon after this incident. As well, the 3 corpses in Yuno's house are already quite well decomposed by the time Yuki sees them, which isn't that long after the game starts. Finally, if Previous-Universe-Yuno had killed This-Universe-Yuno after This-Universe-Yuno had begun the game, then why is This-Universe-2nd-Diary tuned to the future of Previous-Universe-Yuno, and why would it still work at all? Why wouldn't it somehow notify or be noticed by Deus that its owner had been killed? We've never seen diaries transfer possession to the one who killed them, like some weird crossover with Highlander might do. And I'm quite sure the diaries are intelligent and observant enough to be able to tell the difference between the two, who are for practical intents and purposes two different, unique people, with different histories, despite sharing a background up to a certain point and having identical DNA, somewhat like how identical twins have different fingerprints and retinal patterns and memories.
      • Yeah, I'm gonna need to see the actual chapter you're summarizing, because I don't recall that at all. Also, the 10th, as well as the alternate universes (Paradox, Mosaic), show that diary ownership is quite transferable. Furthermore, if what you're saying is true, then that would mean Alternate Yuno was the owner of BOTH diaries . . . except the one that was destroyed referred to Yuki as "Amano" and not "Yuki". The diaries are entered based upon what Yuno's future self would say, but Alternate Yuno never called him Amano - in the flashback with Yuki going out with another girl, that Yuno ALWAYS called him Amano.
      • Your arguments are excellent; as well, I haven't read Mosaic or Paradox. I concede the argument, you have persuaded me.
      • Anyway, the exact chapter of the murder is 53.
      • The Yukki-2 is God of Universe B while Yuno-1 would be God of Universe A is still a plausible idea since the 9th is still alive.
      • Actually, the point about Minene is also a bit confusing. Because if Minene is still alive, then just how did Yukiteru win the second world's game? It isn't even like Minene died at least once, because we get to see her short flashback of Deus intervening with her death at the vault. Did the Ninth somehow forfeit the chance to win by breaking her diary? Or, what...even...just what happened at that point, seriously!? Did Deus open small path to the past to stop her from before she broke her diary while Muru Muru wasn't looking, and just drop her in the Hall of Causality where she waited until Muru Muru declared Yuno to be God again!? Although I guess the second option isn't very likely since she isn't seen using her diary after that.
• Whenever anyone sees Yuki's darts, they immediately lose whatever reflexes/survival instinct they were famed to have. To elaborate:
  • I know that the 3rd isn't the brightest of the bunch (or the most sane), but a dart isn't exactly a bullet. If he survived the 9th's bombs, why couldn't he dodge a small dart? Also, in Mosaics, it's revealed that he wears a bullet-proof vest. Why not move his hand out of the way and let the dart hit his chest?
  • The 9th herself. Ok, she actually MOVED her arm too. Except, she moved it in the complete opposite direction. If YOU had a dart flying towards you, would you prefer that it hit your, say, arm, and poked a healable hole, or your EYE?
    • Actually, in the first world, she did just that. Though in her position, she was more likely to move her right arm to the right than to the left because the extension of the arm feels more natural that way, and she had to react quickly on a split-second decision.
  • The 6th. She got hit because the diary was too heavy to hold up, right? So why doesn't she just DROP it? If her scroll is in a heap on the ground, I doubt a dart would be able to do much to it. She has so many followers too, that if Yuki misses that one chance, they're definitely dead. Instead, she stares dumbly and holds her scroll up to form one large open target for the dart to hit...
    • The problem wasn't that the diary was too heavy, the problem was that she forgot that she had no right hand. This is perfectly understandable, as she didn't get enough time to get used to the idea of only having one hand. Her first instinct seemed to be to protect the diary by folding it and covering it with her body, but she couldn't fold it and it was too late to drop it by the time she realized this.
  • Ever play dodgeball against someone really good? Oh sure, you can criticize someone's actions or reflexes as an observer, but having something actually thrown at you is a different story. You made a comment that darts "aren't bullets", but that's not doing either justice. You'll never even see a bullet, so dodging it reactively is out of the question. Something small like a dart, however, you may be able to see, but only for less than a second.
• If the 11th's diary can see the diary of alternate-universe users (which makes sense, considering that he could see Yuno's in the 2nd world), then why didn't the Mayor #2 read her diary at the beginning of the game the way that Mayor #3's did?
  • Yuno's diary predicts what happens to Yuki. If it was someone else who off'd him, even if it was Yuno, no record would be made in Yuno's "Yukiteru Diary". That's assuming his Watcher Diary could even detect the First World Diary considering that, mere monents after Yuno's arrival, she gets another one with the exact same name and code (2nd). Plenty of reasons, esspecially considering Yuno seems to arrive literally at the beginning of the Survival game.
  • Yes, but she didn't use that diary except in one specific instance. Yuno #1's diary always referred to Yukiteru as "Yuki"; Yuno #2's diary (and presumably Yuno #1's before the game ended) referred to him as "Amano". Hell, if anything, that just proves my point further--why weren't there TWO diaries with slightly different entries? And also, the Watcher Diary of Mayor #3, had no trouble picking up Yuno #1's diary instantly after she arrived.
  • Yes, but it was still labelled "2nd". The Watcher Diary labells the ones as who they belong to. Seeing as there would be two "2nd" diaries, it may only of picked up the one that was in use. Think of it like a computer file. If you try to name something the exact same thing, the new one will supercede the old. Furthermore, the diary that 3rd world 11th read was "1st", i.e. Yukki's. Not Yuno's, so the above point still stands. Plus, what you have to remember was that this is two years (or something) before the game had a chance to start, and it wasn't instantly. He only seemed to check it when there was suddenly a big shift in time and space. Getting back to my earlier point, two years ago there was only the 1th's Watcher diary. It stands to reason he would detect it when a new diary popped up reading "1st", when the others presumably hadn't activated yet or at the very least, weren't in use (you can see them circling in the background).
    • Very well, sir or madam. You have convinced me.
• The ending! It was abrupt and I don't understand why Yuno who did all those horrible things had a happy ending. Karma Houdini much? It didn't give any resolution to the other diary holders and Yuki's friends. YMMV but I didn't like it.
  • About the other diary holders... It was shown pretty clearly that they had their own happy endings. For example, the 7th were expecting a kid and most likely married, the 6th's parents were saved and she didn't become a sex slave to an evil cult, the 10th and his daughter Hinata seem to have reconciled. So yeah, they each got a little happiness.
  • From about Chapter 55 on, they make it clear that Yuno not having a happy ending would be counter to Yukiteru's entire character development. You're not supposed to sympathize with Yuno or like her for what she did, but the manga pretty much tells you, in no ambiguous terms, that Yukiteru sees her as a Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds and wants to save her. And technically, the ending isn't even happy. It's Bittersweet. The Yuno we all knew died--the one we see at the end is only a copy.
  • Going along with this, the only thing the copy has that's related to the original Yuno are the memories thanks to Mura Mura. Combined with the new world's memories and a good amount of time to reflect upon the actions of the original Yuno, the new one is clearly not the same psychotic Yuno as before; Karma Houdini doesn't apply since the Yuno that you claim to have escaped the wrath of karma was indeed punished by death, and the new Yuno is technically a different individual.
  • I still think there was something wrong with the ending though. From the final picture with everybody in it, while you can infer that some good things happened, what about everyone else? What about Akise? If he's an Artificial Human wouldn't he have the memories of his previous life? That's what confuses me.
    • This troper assumed Yukki recreated him (as the third Deus had no reason to create him in the first place), probably because he was the closest thing to a best friend (that wasn't Yuno) the poor boy had. However, Yuno probably forced him to make Akise not interact with them at all, or at least not with the second Yukki, only the third. It did bother me, though.
    • But even Deus cannot create entire beings from scratch, he has to have a starting point. My guess is that Akise is a regular person with a life and memory of his own, Deus just bent his goals to fit his own. In fact, in Paradox you can even see his parents.
• If Yuno's parents were so bad, to the point they drove her to become who she became in the first place... why the hell are they there for her and caring and all of that in the third world? Doesn't that contradict the whole being ridiculously abusive and keeping her in a cage thing a bit?
  • Implied that her dad was never 'bad', just too busy with work to notice that his wife was slowly going insane, possibly some mental sickness. So in the third world they noticed that problem soon enough (similiar to the 4th's son, who got saved because his sickness was noticed earlier) and Yuno Gasai never got subjected to that abuse. Slightly subverted in that aspect because Yuno still would become crazy and yandere, if you realize that the 3rd Yuno holds memories of all the shit the 1st Yuno went through...
    • It's not subverted, because several years have passed since the death of 1st World Yuno. Having the memories of a different person, even if it's yourself from an alternate universe, does not necessarily alter your personality to be just like that person. 3rd World Yuno managed to avoid going through all the suffering 1st World Yuno did. And even with 1st World Yuno's memories, 3rd World Yuno still had several years to reflect upon them, and now that her family is much better than before and now has a healthy school life with friends since then, it's more likely that 3rd World Yuno will avoid becoming psychotic, especially now that she has 2nd World Yukiteru with her and they don't have to go through the survival game.
• Am I the only one who noticed that Deus watches Yukiteru cry while he poops? WHAT THE FUCK, DEUS?
• About chapter 59: was this even necessary for Yukiteru and Yuno to bother with concluding the game (by killing one of them) at this point? The whole point of the game was to select a new god before Deus's death to prevent the destruction of the world. But by the chapter 59 the 2nd world had already been destroyed and the new god would have to start creating a new world from the scratch - and neither Yukiteru nor Yuno had any intention to do so anyway. So, instead of Yukiteru telling Yuno to kill him and become a god of the 2nd world, couldn't they simply leave the game unresolved and forget about it, adopt new identities, move to a different town and live in the 3rd world together?
  • It was necessary because while the 2nd world had already been destroyed, the 3rd world was still heading towards destruction. The 3rd world's Deus was also dying.
    • [[spoiler: Neither Yukiteru nor Yuno seemed to care much about the 3rd world's fate while making their decisions (Yukiteru only wanted to save 3rd world Yuno from being killed by the 1st world one, other than that he just wanted Yuno to kill him; and Yuno, if she got her way, would probably ultimately leave the 3rd world after winning the game, dooming it to destruction anyway). And even if they had cared, it's not that 1st Yuno or 2nd Yukiteru in particular would have to become 3rd world's god for it to survive. As far as they knew at the beginning of chapter 59, they had 2 years before the start of the game in this world and the end of the 3rd world to think of something. Of course, in this time they might have even found out that the game was cancelled altogether and that Deus would have to find other way to choose his successor, whom he ended up hand-picking anyway.
      I guess my main point is this: at the very least Yukiteru and Yuno could have waited for some time to see how their actions affected the 3rd world and the future of other (would-be) diary owners before making any decisions, instead of deciding that one of them had to die right there and then.]]
• Episode 6 - Why is Deus watching Yuki on the toilet?
• Why, in the manga, when the friends of Yukiteru were trapped in the room being filled with concrete, were they not hurt after wading hip deep in it? For those who don't know, touching wet concrete, especially non-Quikcrete, will rip your skin off worse than any glue. Going waste deep would be extremely painful.
• In the chapter 44 of the manga how exactly did Yukiteru's trick with using his diary to find out the password to the vault work? I mean, it is established that diary will also record false predictions based on its owner misunderstandings... but in this case there was no misunderstanding, Yukiteru lied about planning to escape with Minene even though he was never actually going to do that, and his diary was fooled anyway?
  • That's because if they chose this escape path they would've got the password, the secretary didn't lie. Even though it can get misinformation, if the future info is correct it doesn't matter if he never planned on doing it. Besides, it was only a temporary future, once he got the password the future changed.