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Fire Emblem as a WHOLE has this in spades. Thanks to the support system, which gives characters both nifty Character Development and stat bonuses, Fire Emblem tends to be a breeding ground for Ship-to-Ship Combat with the unique difference that Shipping in Fire Emblem - and thus arguments thereof - is often concerned with gameplay viability as much as it is with the romantic dynamic between the characters. It doesn't help that several fans view certain ships as a better couple. The gameplay for the series actually allows the player to do this in game - with Perma Death in near-full effect across the games, if you don't like a character, you can intentionally use a Uriah Gambit to get the character out of the way.

Examples of Die for Our Ship in the Akaneia games

Examples of Die for Our Ship in the Jugdral games:

  • Fire Emblem 4 suffers from a bit of this as well. As Perma Death and Relationship Values are both important parts of the game, the player can literally invoke Die for Our Ship:
    • Beowulf suffers a lot of hate in the fandom as it is, but Finn/Lachesis gives the haters even more fuel for their fire. In turn, Beowulf fans scorn the Finn/Lachesis pairing, blaming its very existence for the fact that their favorite character isn't liked.
      • Lachesis herself is sometimes portrayed in a negative light by fans who ship Finn with his old friend Glade or his master Cuan.
    • Lewyn/Erinys fans turn up their noses at Silvia. Lewyn/Silvia fans turn up their noses at Fury. Lewyn/Tailtiu fans turn up their noses at both. Out of them, Silvia seems to get the most hate for supposedly being "too clingy" and "too immature/bitchy", and not to mention her children Lene and Corple are regarded as Tier Induced Scrappies.
    • And it's worth noting that the Fire Emblem 4 manga made by Nea Fuyuki does not include Lynn/Leen or Leilia/Laylea at all, and make Ares/Aless (who's basically her canon interest) interested in Julia (who just sees him has a good comrade, at least until the very end, and has an unrequited love for Celice, who's in mutual love with Lana : the Love Triangle between Seliph/Lana/Julia, on the other hand, are canon in-game and the other Fire Emblem 4 related media hint at). Likewise, in Mitsuki Oosawa's version, Chulainn and Beowulf don't not exist and Ayra and Lex are paired off while the Brother-Sister Incest vibes between Eltoshan and Lachesis go off the ceiling, and once he dies she goes off with Fin. Granted, all 3 mangakas who did official Fire Emblem 4 manga went with their personal pairing preferences, but Nuts Fujimori, at least, hasn't excluded any characters in her version.

Examples of Die for Our Ship in the Elibe games:

  • Let's not forget the fighting that goes on over which pairings create the children of certain characters in Sword of Seals aka Fire Emblem 6.
    • Or the fact that there are 6 different endings involving marriage for Roy. While not as fierce as say the Eliwood/ Hector/ Rath / Lyn affair, shippers tend to have a lot of hate for Roy's teacher Cecilia.
  • As mentioned above, in Fire Emblem 7 aka Blazing Blade, Ninian the Dancer is the biggest victim of this from from rabid Lyn/Eliwood, Eliwood/Hector, and Eliwood/Mary Sue fans who bash her for being angsty (for reasons which aren't necessarily related to Eliwood) as well as for standing in between their pairing of choice. She could only shake off the fan hate in Fire Emblem: Heroes.
    • Similarly, Priscilla is bashed six ways from Sunday because all her supports are boys...who happen to be part of the fandom's most popular slash pairings and one reasonably popular het pairing. She gets called a slut, a whore and a leech and one particular fan has even accused her of being a Mary Sue just because men like her.
    • Angst-ridden Pheraen knight Harken is often forgotten or shoved aside so that his canon fiance Isadora can hook up with dashing thief Legault.
    • Sain already gets a lot of crap for being a flirt as it is, but throw pairings like Kent/Fiora and Wil/Rebecca into the mix and it gets worse.
      • Some Wil/Rebecca fans not only hate Sain, but also detest Rebecca's other possible love interest, Lowen.
    • People who pair Erk with other people often bash Serra in the process - especially in fanfiction, where Erk seems to become a mouthpiece for the author's hate of Serra. Serra herself is portrayed as a selfish Erk-obsessed shrew of a woman (there is a fic where she was willing to let one of the other girls die from an injury so she could have Erk to herself) and is "properly" rebuffed in the end. Similarly, Erk is bashed by people who pair Serra with Oswin or Matthew, who portray him as if he truly loathed Serra instead of caring for her yet not being able to say it.
    • Leila and Matthew's canon love for her are shoved to the side to make room for the more popular Matthew/Guy, in spite of Leila canonically dying, which should if anything provide a good basis for a Hurt Comfort Fic that has Guy helping Matthew getting over his grief, etc. Fans can be so stupid sometimes. On the flip side, quite a few Matthew/Leila fans loathe the Matthew/Guy ship.
    • Some Kent/Lyn fans can be quite adamant about their shipping preferences, especially in the case of Kent/Lyn vs Kent/Fiora, Lyn/Rath and Lyn/Tactician:
      • Kent/Fiora is an odd case in that the shippers don't hate Fiora herself but rather her supports with Kent, decrying them as out of character and comparing them to bad fanfic.
      • Rath is sometimes disliked by the shippers for being too quiet and seemingly apathetic towards Lyn in their supports. Which makes no sense considering that Rath isn't apathetic or insensitive, just... genuinely Not Good with People. (And considering his backstory, for very good reasons).
      • Tactician/Lyn hate is somewhat understandable because it exists mainly in fanfic, where the Tactician is beefed up into an overly perfect Gary Stu and Lyn's other love interests are made to look like assholes in order to validate the pairing. Still, there can be exceptions to the rule...
    • As a "bonus", some anti Kent/Lyn shippers falsely accuse Kent of being "creepy", "selfish", "domineering" and "too possessive" of Lyn. If they ship Rath/Lyn, they may even accuse the guy of being racist against Nomads too, due to his "cultural shock" in the first part of the game and acting a little forceful in Araphen. (Something that Kent himself aknowledges few later as a mistake, apologizing to Lyn for being unsensitive.)
    • Some Hector/Lyn shippers can be quite rabid in proving their ship is the most canon due to the extra ship tease they're given on Hector's route, alienating players who prefer Hector with Florina or Farina.
    • While not nearly as prominent as others, there's a small but increasingly loud coalition of hate developing for the Nino/Jaffar pairing; people denouncing it as "unhealthy", calling it "pedophilia" when Jaffar's age isn't ever brought up in the game AND Nino isn't a prepubescent child either, or claiming their very emotional A support "ruined" Jaffar's character nevermind how Jaffar was also kind-of emotional when he asked Legault to take care of Nino in case he kicked it. A good chunk of these people, unsurprisingly, are Erk/Nino shippers.

Examples of Die for Our Ship in Fire Emblem the Sacred Stones:

  • In Fire Emblem 8, some Joshua/Artur and Joshua/Marisa fans quite vocally bash Natasha and the Joshua/Natasha couple. Some Seth/Eirika shippers also seem to have a special dislike for Natasha as well; in general, Natasha is often accused of being a Gold Digger due to the fact that both her paired endings are affluent men... never mind that she doesn't even know Joshua is a prince in their supports, and that the ones with Seth show her as a Workaholic who comes to collapse at some point because she won't stop healing and caring for the people around her. She's also derided for supposedly "wanting a man to support her", despite the fact that after all she's dealt with and how hard she works to take care of others, secretly longing to be taken care of a bit herself is hardly a sin.
  • Joshua/Marisa shippers aren't innocent either. Far from it. They portray the sweet cleric as a shrill and evil bitch who does everything in her power to keep Marisa away from Joshua so she can marry him, while derailing the cool-headed but still naive Action Girl into a angsty tragic lovelorn heroine who worries more about Joshua finding her desirable or not than the self-improvement she seeks in canon.
  • Ephraim/Eirika and Ephraim yaoi shippers used to hate Tana for having a crush on Ephraim, as well as the pairing itself. While the pairing's still heavily disliked, thankfully the hatred for Tana has died down.
  • Colm is bashed as well by people who prefer to pair up Neimi with someone else.
  • And then there's the very persistent war among Eirika shippers, in which Prince Innes and Prince Lyon are derailed in order to make Seth look like the better choice. (Meanwhile, Master Saleh and Forde are just plain ignored.)
    • Innes/Eirika shippers aren't exactly innocent, as they love to accuse Seith of being a chauvinist and wanting Eirika to Stay in the Kitchen. Nevermind that Seth was specifically entrusted with his princess' safety right before Renais was taken over, and that he can be single or marry Natasha if the players want him to.
    • Seth/Eirika shippers are also quite nasty to poor Lyon, decrying him as "weak" and "unworthy" of Eirika's affections for his insecurity and fears ultimately being the catalyst for the game's plot and nearly causing Magvel to be overtaken by the Demon King. Many fans reduce him to a whiny Emo Teen throwing a Suicidal Cosmic Temper Tantrum just because he couldn't get a date with the princess, rather than understanding his very complex insecurities.

Examples of Die for Our Ship in the Tellius games:

  • Fire Emblem 9 has Ike/Soren shippers who bash Elincia to no end. This, despite the fact that Ike shows no interest in her romantically. It's mostly stopped now that the sequel shows Elincia really coming into her own. The tenth game implies she ends up with Geoffrey. And you can make Ike and Soren's Ho Yay more or less canon if you get their supports.
    • These days, the Ike/Soren shippers are a lot more sane than the Ike/Elincia shippers. One particular fan of the latter demonizes the fuck out of Geoffrey, as you can see throughout this topic.
    • Not to mention the very, very ugly war between Tibarn/Reyson shippers and Naesala/Reyson shippers. This is another one where the tenth game comes to the rescue, as it sets up a canonical relationship between Naesala and Reyson's sister, Leanne, who becomes the mother of his children (a little heron girl and a little raven boy). Looking back on it, there were definitely hints of that relationship back in the ninth game, where Leanne just an NPC.
  • In Fire Emblem 10, main character Micaiah occasionally gets bashed for her romance with Sothe and standing in the way of Ho Yay, on top of getting accused of being a Canon Sue.
  • When Boyd/Mist was more or less made canon in Radiant Dawn, many Rolf/Mist shippers got angry. Luckily, this particular ship war was small and flew under the radar compared to others.

Examples of Die for Our Ship in Fire Emblem Awakening

  • Sumia is still hated to this day by rabid Chrom/Female Robin shippers who accuse her of being "anti-feminist" and "problematic" or "forced on the plot." Never mind that the plot pushes Chrom/either Robin way more.
  • Chrom/Cordelia shippers are also nasty to Sumia, accusing her of "breaking the girl code" by "stealing" her poor best friend's true love. This, despite the fact that the two women never once discuss Chrom and the fact that Cordelia made the conscious choice not to pursue a romance with him.
  • Female Robin isn't free of hate, either, since fans of Chrom/Male Robin compare her disfavorably to her male counterpart and accuse her of being solely an abusive bitch.
  • Gerome has been blasted by Robin/Lucina shippers for being "abusive" or "bad for Lucina" because he's stoic and doesn't handle his emotions well.
  • The above mentioned Ike/Soren vs. other shippers were reignited when Priam, a Hunky Badass who claims to be Ike's descendant and has Ike's sword Ragnell, showed up in Awakening. Ike/Soren haters started gloating that the ship had been sunk (even when Priam never fully explained whether he's a distant descendant or a direct one), while Ike/Soren fans accused IS of being homophobic (even when, again, Priam's direct relation to Ike has never been 100% detailed).
  • Cordelia gets some shit for being Chrom's Hopeless Suitor, with fans outright saying she's only using her other prospect husbands for making Severa while pining for Chrom endlessly for the rest of her life.
  • Inigo/Gerome shippers bash Inigio's female love interests for being mean to him while insisting he can ''only'' be paired with Gerome because him being in a straight relationship is "gross". Oddly enough, Inigo himself also gets bashed for his Casanova Wannabe ways, with fans saying that he's "better" if he's gay.
  • Some Brady/Owain shippers hate Inigo and call him an abuser for teasing Owain in their supports.

Examples of Die for Our Ship in Fire Emblem Fates

  • Shippers of Hinoka/Male Corrin trash Camilla for being very vocal in her love for Corrin, calling her a "toxic obsessive yandere whore" among other things...while conveniently ignoring that Hinoka herself is quite obsessive over Corrin, to the point of borderline ignoring her younger siblings to fret over seeing him again.
  • Played oddly with fans who ship Leo with men. His prospect wives themselves aren't bashed, but Leo himself is painted as a misogynist who would feign love for them in order to sleep with them and make his son, because he could only ever truly love his own gender.
  • Anyone who ships the Corrins with any member of the Royal Families of Nohr or Hoshido is in for a virtual beating from people who scream at the idea of fictional incest. Corrin/Azura got similar fire from the fandom due to the Revelation path revealing that they're actually cousins.
    • Some hardcore Male Corrin/Azura shippers didn't exactly bash other pairings with the two, but pushed the ship as "the intended canon" at the expense of the characters' other pairings-including Female Corrin/Azura, simply because it was a same-sex version of their OTP. They were insistent in the belief that Het!Corrin/Azura was the one true pairing with the most special interactions, and that Azura only became a queen in Revelation if she married Corrin, even though she could become one by marrying Ryoma or Xander too. Luckily, this behavior eventually died down.
  • Soleil gets this a lot due to her constant skirt-chasing and lack of boundaries, with her detractors glad she's not the female Gay Option because she "needs to be kept away from all women". It's especially prominent with Ophelia, though, as she comes on way too strong and makes Ophelia nervous in 2/3 of their support chain. The fact that both girls admit they made a mess of things (Soleil by being pushy and Ophelia by running away because Soleil didn't meet her high expectations as a partner) and patch it up in the A support isn't enough for the detractors, and some of the shippers can get defensive as a result.
  • Rhajat and Niles are loathed by shippers of female Avatar/Azura and male Avatar/Silas, who wanted Azura and Silas to be the gay options.
  • Charlotte gets some guff from shippers of Xander/Female Avatar due to her Gold Digger facade, despite the fact that her supports have her marrying Xander out of love and explaining she wants money to care for her ailing parents.

Examples of Die for Our Ship in Fire Emblem Gaiden/Echoes: Shadows of Valentia

The original Gaiden was notably the only entry in the series more or less devoid of shipping wars due to its obscurity. When Echoes came out, though, things took an ugly turn.

  • Canon Foreigner Faye is loathed by Alm/Celica shippers. Even those who don't ship the pairing hate her for having a rather obsessive crush on Alm.
  • Celica herself gets called "antifeminist" or pushed aside by Alm/Clair and Alm/Faye shippers. Alm/Faye shippers also blame her and her alone for the fight between her and Alm in act 2.
  • Some Celica/Saber shippers decry Alm/Celica as forced, claiming Saber is more caring towards Celica than Alm ever was.
  • Alm and Boey both get scorned by Celica/Mae shippers, especially Boey who is seen as an inconsiderate asshole who does nothing but fight with Mae when in reality he cares deeply for her.
  • Clive is a walking target for being Mathilda's canon love interest at all, but mostly by fans who worship Mathilda and think she should be dating women like Clair or Sonya.
  • Prince Berkut is downright accused of Domestic Abuse by Rinea fans who think she'd be better off dumping him for another girl. While he does sacrifice her to Duma for power, the game makes it very clear that he is Not Himself at the time, because before then he's been shown to be nothing but kind and loving (if gruff at times) towards her, and this only happened after he was subjected to a gigantic Break the Haughty process..
  • Tatiana is not liked by Camus/Nyna shippers due to her and Zeke's relationship being more in-depth and explicit in Echoes, to the point where if both survive he marries her.
  • Many fans who hate the Clair/Gray pairing bash Gray for his early behavior towards her (seeing her as a standard hero reward in Act I, Clair's obvious irritation with him in the beginning of their supports) and their outdated Gaiden ending (where she marries him because he wore her down, even though she loved Alm)... completely ignoring that Gray does change his attitude towards Clair, she does soften up towards him, and their Echoes ending removes many of the unsavory implications of the old one (plus a rewritten "Tobin dies" ending where Clair helps Gray overcome his grief-induced alcoholism over losing his best friend and they get together). Some fans even accuse him of representing toxic masculinity when he's really just a teenage boy who has a bit of growing up to do when it comes to women. That said, some fans simply hate Gray being paired with a girl that's shipped with other girls and shove him off with Tobin, in a case of "the womanizer is better if he's gay" (see Inigo in Awakening).


Examples of Die for Our Ship in Fire Emblem: Three Houses

  • Edelgard from Hraesvelgr can marry both Byleths, is the most popular option for Female Byleth AND is strongly implied to still love him/her even if her route's not chosen and therefore she can't be their lover. The Edelgard/F!Byleth fans tend to look down on near every other Byleth ship in one way or another. Especially Edelgard/M!Byleth, which is said to be "heteronormative".
    • On the flip side, some Rhea/Byleth shippers loathe Edelgard and will do all they can to demonize her and make Rhea look like the better choice.
  • Dorothea Arnault is bisexual, being able to marry either of the Byleths and having some A-paired endings with ladies what ooze Les Yay. Many yuri fans openly and aggressively complain about the girl being paired with any men, period, insisting that she's "coded lesbian" and that she'd only care about guys (especially Black Eagles men, who are all nobles while she's a commoner) to be a Gold Digger to them.
  • Some bashers of Edelgard also happen to be Hubert/Ferdinand shippers who pair the boys together while at the same time suggesting neither of them should be "forced" to stay with Edelgard, even in her own route.
  • Female Byleth is starting to get this from people who ship Dimitri with anyone else, but especially Dedue.
  • There's a growing trend of fans who see Alois and Gilbert as closeted gay men despite both being married, possibly in response to their S supports with male Byleth being platonic. This has led to the theory that Gilbert was always gay and resents his family, hence his running away from them, and that Alois really loved Jeralt and his wife is solely a beard. Completely ignoring that a) their S supports with both genders of Byleth are platonic, so the female one can't marry him either, b) Alois is shown to adore his wife AND simply is not the kind of guy who'd even bother hiding his feelings for someone else (male or female), and c) Gilbert aka Gustave left his family due to a massive trauma, aka the Tragedy of Duscur in which his liege Lambert was one of many people horribly killed. His sexuality has nothing to do with the fact that Gilbert hated himself for his failure, and likely left his wife and their daughter Annette out of feeling he wasn't worthy of them, and fearing that he would eventually fail them at some point.

Notes

  1. Well, this person is never identified as Merric, but the very few leads in the Akaneia games point at him and Fire Emblem: Warriors confirms it in Marth and Linde's own supports.
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